Posted by craigcoug on 4/18/2013 11:17:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tarvolon on 4/18/2013 11:02:00 AM (view original):Ah. Perhaps that is the exact reason I omitted that phrase. Lies indeed.
Posted by craigcoug on 4/18/2013 10:05:00 AM (view original):Of course, just plain ol' lying is dishonest too.
Posted by tarvolon on 4/18/2013 9:18:00 AM (view original):Within each set of ellipses, Billy brags about what a superior coach he is. I didn't feel that was relevant to the discussion. Nice try, though.
Posted by craigcoug on 4/18/2013 1:44:00 AM (view original):The Dishonesty of Ellipses: Exhibit A.
It would seem to me that the beef would be with this statement:
"wiping those teams would sound good for a minute... and i'm sure some of those multiple team guys are cheating, so you'd find a few cheaters...but the game can't survive wiping out so many of the teams from so many of the stable long term members of the community."
....shouldn't we all have beef with that statement? pretty much sounds like admission of guilt to me.
(Unless you have a good argument that this clause is billyg bragging about his coaching: "just like you would wiping out ANY segment of this game's population")
"cheating within the elite dynasty coaches is equal to cheating by the outsiders"... Nope! And the reason is cause and effect. A "dynasty coach" who is winning championships through cheating is a bigger deal than a "nobody coach" not winning anything through cheating. Both should have their second team taken away, but the argument that it's just not that big a deal for the elites is, well, a lie.
It doesn't matter how long they've been on the site. It doesn't matter how many friends they've made by writing up advice forums. It doesn't matter how ingenious they might seem. Any player with 2 teams in the same world should have one of those teams taken away. It doesn't matter if they've built a dynasty or not.. It doesn't matter that they will be much more upset than the other players because the value of their teams is oh-so-higher.
The moment you added that second team to the world where you already had one is the moment you made a mistake. And there needs to be a fair consequence for that mistake that you made. For WIS to avoid being a complete circus, they have to take your second team away. This is beyond obvious.
Look, billy's argument is that by wiping out any segment of the WIS population, you will catch a lot of cheaters. However, if in catching cheaters, you alienate a lot of your best non-cheating customers, it's not worth it.
You might disagree with that, but there it is.
You're insinuating that billyg has admitted that those with two accounts have a higher incidence of cheating than any random sample of WIS users. He admitted no such thing, and any such insinuations are dishonest. If you want to interact with the actual argument, there is room for intelligent discussion, and I'm sure you'll have plenty of good points to make. But let's not act like statements mean something other than they mean. that's all I'm asking.