Posted by tbird9423 on 4/25/2013 1:24:00 AM (view original):
Posted by angmar on 4/24/2013 2:52:00 PM (view original):I was wrong. Wrong to think that most multiple team players were above board. I lost a lot of respect for "respected" coaches during this thread. Some of these guys' championships should have an asterik by them or at least be called reggie bush champions. How much does a sv from ny to alaska cost? Oh, whoops do some of you believe the stuff u write? I bet 401k's are good for the country as well? And the one giy with his I don't even know how to cheat-- any psychologists out there want to analyze that post. Many of the guys we are talking about don't even pay to play so using credits on a ghost team makes sense. I am going to see if seble is willing to start a "only one team in a world champios list so we can separate the champions from the cheaters
So now that more than a handful of pretty damn experienced coaches have called TBird out on his "scouting distant states" comment, I wonder if he'll have the guts to come back and admit that he was wrong? Badly wrong. I'm sure he won't though.
a couple things:
1) very, very few coaches play for free. over the past few years, i haven't, although i went through a couple years where i was barely playing my teams at all. i think i even had to pay on coach_billyg in the last six months, although when i won all my titles, 25% reward points were in effect, so i wasnt even getting 1 season for each. with full reward points, its a lot more viable, but really, almost everyone pays to play. even though with primary and secondary teams who break even or better, often have other teams losing money. when you switch schools, rebuild, etc, that is going to drag you down substantially, too.
2) i think you need to be more open minded about the possibilities of scouting in division 2, you seem way off in what you perceive as possible and reasonable. how much does a sv from ny to ak cost? dont even have to look, 700 bucks :) the thing is, at 370 miles, its already like 550 bucks. so to go from 370 miles to the max distance, its roughly the same cost, for SVs. HVs and CVs are dramatically more expensive at really long distance, but even an international 8000 miles away is only 700 bucks a SV.
one of the great things about FSS and evals for high/high potential, is there really is a major strategic tradeoff. you can use money for battles for the players who you like the best, or you can use money to scout far and wide, and then use a lot of evals to identify those who have the right high/high potentials. or you can do something in between. signing a player who is uncontested is not very expensive, even at distance, and you can always do a $110 special or two if you run out of money. the reality is, in d2, there are often a few players, at a glance, who are just insane - but very few make it through the cracks, past d1 schools, often big 6 schools (if you are competitive enough of a d2 school, my #1 prospect at SIUE last season was considering a d1 sim, and eventually, multiple big 6 schools got into a fight (small fight i think) for him.
after those top couple players, which is often 0, theres pretty many guys available. not necessarily locally, there is SO MUCH variation in recruit generation with potential, and there is SO MUCH luck in local competition, based on how many and how competitive the human coaches are near you. its really one of the worst things about recruiting in the post-potential world, IMO. anyway, in that next group of guys, if you scout say 10 states, there might be 12 prospects for your PF openings, and based on the high/highs or low/highs in the cores, any one of them might be the best, or one of the worst couple. so its totally legit to say, i dont want to battle, there is probably a suitable alternative - and anyway, none of them are even worth battling for, unless you know they got some key high/highs. its perfectly reasonable, on a 3 man class with a 20K budget, to spend 10K, or even 15K, on FSS and evals. some very successful coaches go higher. i am very much in the camp that using evals extensively in d2 is critical to your success. some people are in high population, low competition areas, in which case, the scout local and battle system works pretty damn well. but in lower pop or more competitive areas, scouting a lot of recruits, and using a lot of evals, is EXTREMELY successful.
anyway, its just something to think about, i think there is a major strategy element you are missing there.