Oh, and who says I WASN'T outraged a year ago when the guidelines were updated?  You have no idea, NONE, of the tickets I've sent, or of the conversations with CS I've had regarding that matter.  Just because I didn't post anything in the forums then didn't mean I wasn't "outraged".  I'll remember next time to run everything by you first, before I submit a ticket or anything else, so you can take note of how "outraged" I am about an issue.  The reason I am posting now is because it has become a huge issue on the forums so this is where I feel like I need to express my opinions.

But enough about this for me.  As I said in another thread, I voluntarily moved my D1 team far more than 1000 miles away from my D2 team, a move that I took the initiative to make to avoid getting told on by people who want to act like junior high hall monitors.

Posted by stinenavy on 5/25/2013 11:05:00 AM (view original):

Oh, and who says I WASN'T outraged a year ago when the guidelines were updated?  You have no idea, NONE, of the tickets I've sent, or of the conversations with CS I've had regarding that matter.  Just because I didn't post anything in the forums then didn't mean I wasn't "outraged".  I'll remember next time to run everything by you first, before I submit a ticket or anything else, so you can take note of how "outraged" I am about an issue.  The reason I am posting now is because it has become a huge issue on the forums so this is where I feel like I need to express my opinions.

But enough about this for me.  As I said in another thread, I voluntarily moved my D1 team far more than 1000 miles away from my D2 team, a move that I took the initiative to make to avoid getting told on by people who want to act like junior high hall monitors.

You can be emy1013 the liar or emy1013 the cheater. Liar if you really didn't send tickets to WIS when the change took effect, or cheater if you decided you didn't want to follow the rules. Actually you're a cheater either way.

I pay the same amount as everyone else for my teams (minus account credits) and I want to be on equal footing as everyone else.

Posted by stinenavy on 5/25/2013 11:05:00 AM (view original):

Oh, and who says I WASN'T outraged a year ago when the guidelines were updated?  You have no idea, NONE, of the tickets I've sent, or of the conversations with CS I've had regarding that matter.  Just because I didn't post anything in the forums then didn't mean I wasn't "outraged".  I'll remember next time to run everything by you first, before I submit a ticket or anything else, so you can take note of how "outraged" I am about an issue.  The reason I am posting now is because it has become a huge issue on the forums so this is where I feel like I need to express my opinions.

But enough about this for me.  As I said in another thread, I voluntarily moved my D1 team far more than 1000 miles away from my D2 team, a move that I took the initiative to make to avoid getting told on by people who want to act like junior high hall monitors.

You can be emy1013 the liar or emy1013 the cheater. Liar if you really didn't send tickets to WIS when the change took effect, or cheater if you decided you didn't want to follow the rules. Actually you're a cheater either way.

I pay the same amount as everyone else for my teams (minus account credits) and I want to be on equal footing as everyone else.

Posted by hughesjr on 5/25/2013 10:36:00 AM (view original):

Posted by udm_mike on 5/25/2013 8:27:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dacj501 on 5/25/2013 7:51:00 AM (view original):
I too believe in enforcing the rule, and I, like kujayhawk, remember that older thread and I was surprised and appalled that ow signed that kid with his D 1 team away from a conference mate of his D 2 team. That said hughesjr, I feel compelled to dispute something you've just posted.

1 Definition of CHEAT (from Merrim-Webster):

to violate rules dishonestly 

 

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I am saying that if there are rules, and if one does not follow the rules, then that (by itself, with no other action) is ... by definition, cheating.

According to the definition that you yourself lead with, one not following the rules is not (by itself, with no other action) cheating, as your definition clearly states that cheating is violating rules dishonestly. The mere act of breaking the rule is not, itself, enough if I read correctly, without establishing dishonesty...

Straight from the webster's website - 

transitive verb

1

: to deprive of something valuable by the use of deceit or fraud

2

: to influence or lead by deceit, trick, or artifice

3

: to elude or thwart by or as if by outwitting <cheat death>

intransitive verb

1

a : to practice fraud or trickery b : to violate rules dishonestly <cheat at cards> <cheating on a test>

2

: to be sexually unfaithful —usually used with on <wascheating on his wife>

3

: to position oneself defensively near a particular area in anticipation of a play in that area <the shortstop was cheating toward second base>

 

Thought maybe someone should post the entire definition and not hughes' version.

Is it not dishonest to own two teams within 1000 miles and pretend that you aren't?  One agrees to the fair play guidelines, then takes two teams within 1000 miles.  Is it not dishonest to purposefully violate the rules.  Is it not defrauding other customers (and deceitful) when you gain advantage buy taking two teams within 1000 miles.

And is my example not one of an advantage to someone, even if trying in every way not to actually cheat, but still being collusive between the 2 teams?

Posted by isack24 on 5/25/2013 11:00:00 AM (view original):
"Is it not dishonest to own two teams within 1000 miles and pretend that you aren't?  One agrees to the fair play guidelines, then takes two teams within 1000 miles.  Is it not dishonest to purposefully violate the rules.  Is it not defrauding other customers (and deceitful) when you gain advantage buy taking two teams within 1000 miles."

So many assumptions...

Posted by tarvolon on 5/25/2013 12:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by hughesjr on 5/25/2013 10:36:00 AM (view original):

Posted by udm_mike on 5/25/2013 8:27:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dacj501 on 5/25/2013 7:51:00 AM (view original):
I too believe in enforcing the rule, and I, like kujayhawk, remember that older thread and I was surprised and appalled that ow signed that kid with his D 1 team away from a conference mate of his D 2 team. That said hughesjr, I feel compelled to dispute something you've just posted.

1 Definition of CHEAT (from Merrim-Webster):

to violate rules dishonestly 

 

-----------------------------------------

 

I am saying that if there are rules, and if one does not follow the rules, then that (by itself, with no other action) is ... by definition, cheating.

According to the definition that you yourself lead with, one not following the rules is not (by itself, with no other action) cheating, as your definition clearly states that cheating is violating rules dishonestly. The mere act of breaking the rule is not, itself, enough if I read correctly, without establishing dishonesty...

Straight from the webster's website - 

transitive verb

1

: to deprive of something valuable by the use of deceit or fraud

2

: to influence or lead by deceit, trick, or artifice

3

: to elude or thwart by or as if by outwitting <cheat death>

intransitive verb

1

a : to practice fraud or trickery b : to violate rules dishonestly <cheat at cards> <cheating on a test>

2

: to be sexually unfaithful —usually used with on <wascheating on his wife>

3

: to position oneself defensively near a particular area in anticipation of a play in that area <the shortstop was cheating toward second base>

 

Thought maybe someone should post the entire definition and not hughes' version.

Is it not dishonest to own two teams within 1000 miles and pretend that you aren't?  One agrees to the fair play guidelines, then takes two teams within 1000 miles.  Is it not dishonest to purposefully violate the rules.  Is it not defrauding other customers (and deceitful) when you gain advantage buy taking two teams within 1000 miles.

And is my example not one of an advantage to someone, even if trying in every way not to actually cheat, but still being collusive between the 2 teams?

Who's pretending? billyg lost his team because he made no pretense. I expect oldwarrior did too

Posted by emy1013 on 5/25/2013 12:26:00 PM (view original):
That's what these guys can't seem to get through their heads.  The coaches who have no qualms about announcing what their alternate ID's are, are the ones who are LEAST likely to cheat.  Why?  Because it's easy for the hall monitors to check up on them.  By announcing their alternate ID's, they are, in essence, laying all their cards on the table for everyone to see.  The coaches that HIDE their alternate ID's, those are the ones to worry about because those are the guys who are more likely to use that second ID for nefarious purposes.  It's not that difficult to comprehend....or maybe it is.