Posted by jdno on 1/7/2015 12:32:00 PM (view original):
Posted by acn24 on 1/7/2015 6:59:00 AM (view original):
It isn't as long as some of the others, but I'll submit it due to the challenge of doing at DI versus DII or DIII. Oldman's run from seasons 61-66 at Michigan State in Crum. 5 titles and a Final Four in a six season period, a cumulative 199-10 record, including 2 undefeated seasons.
+1
I personally think it's this.
i agree
the divisions are different, and the eras are different, that always makes it hard to compare. its not 8 in 9 but i think what oldman pulled off was harder for his time/situation than what rails pulled off. rails got his in that special slice of time when only a handful knew about pulldowns, so you weren't really the best of 150 coaches in a world, it was more like being the best of the dozen who were playing the same game as you, and the other 130+ weren't remotely a threat. oldman won his in an established d1 world at a time with no major engine changes, no first mover advantage, just straight up killed everyone. i think before oldman there were a handful of runs where it was hard to say which was what, i had a couple of those myself, and it seemed pretty much like a wash to me between the top 5 or so. but i definitely put oldman's run above my own and all the others, i think there is enough separation there, to make it the clear #1 by itself - because its not only the best by the numbers, but doesn't have a significant mitigating circumstance tagged with it.
at the very least, its got to be #1 in d1. the only competition i know about would be OR with 5/8 and 3 in a row at uconn, but it was in d1 tarks baby days where the first movers had a huge advantage. i won 5 in 9 a bit later but it was split across 2 school and the filling seasons weren't good. i think oldman's crushes both of those, and all of lostmyths schools, none of which had the dense x title in y format kind of greatness, his greatness was more in having a few d1 programs that were all amazing at the same time. girt's only mid major title (acn now won at that school too though) in the new engine era was pretty great but you can't really put one title against 5 in 6 years. theres other coaches in d1 with loads of titles, acn and aramano and some others, but i dont think anything close to 5/6. clone had one run at one of his iowa states that was insanely good too but again just falls short of that 5/6.