Posted by davis on 9/1/2015 11:00:00 AM (view original):
I just stumbled onto this thread and read a couple of randomly chosen pages, and I have to say that my mind is swimming.  This is as brilliant a thread as I can remember, and I thank everyone who made it so.

Oh, crap!  My boss is heading this way!  Gotta go.

Thanks for the compliment.

Posted by gillispie1 on 9/1/2015 1:13:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by emy1013 on 8/31/2015 5:22:00 AM (view original):
Shawn continues to believe that what he spews is fact, apparently totally unaware of what constitutes an opinion.  Shawn, again, just because YOU believe something does not necessarily nor automatically make it factual.

I know very well the difference between opinion and fact.  Do you understand that my opinions are based upon the facts?

I think that would be a difficult admission for most here, since it would likely shatter the notion that anyone might be able to argue effectively against what I've said.

I already believe that's a foregone conclusion anyway, but sheer stubbornness is likely to keep even those without a sound argument from giving up.

Irony is a hard one to pin down (probably the hardest), but you've come very close. A person whose username is a bastardization of Confucius (which you spelled wrong by the way), who was probably the godfather of anti-factual paradoxical insight (if a thing could actually be said to exist), is railing about not only their absolute grasp of the notion of a fact but its epistemological relation to opinion.

The combination of those things are just the tip of the iceberg which shows that you have no clue what you're talking about.

Irony isn't hard to pin down at all. See the end of this post.

It's so commonplace to launch a ridiculous personal attack when you know you have no real argument. I consider that a compliment to me that you chose to do so.

However, doing so out of sheer ignorance in a reference to someone's username - especially when you have no idea how or why they selected it - completely destroys any credibility you might have gained with a real argument.

Back to irony. You suggesting I don't know what I'm talking about after taking the action I just described pins that irony down very well.

there was no personal attack there... im not posting to argue just to say, kudos nacho, nice post, i rather enjoyed it.

There is absolutely an attempt at a personal attack there. No question. No reason to post it otherwise.

Giving kudos to that makes you just as bad.

Posted by Benis on 9/1/2015 2:29:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by shawnfucious on 8/31/2015 10:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 8/30/2015 8:38:00 PM (view original):
Truth? Based upon what?

What part of truth don't you understand? I ask in all sincerity.

Can you provide some data or examples from personal experience that would make your statement "the truth" rather than opinion?

Basically prove that things like surfing the Internet on your break, having social conversations at work, etc (and all things discussed in this thread that people find to be "normal" behavior) occur ONLY in America but not in Canada, Mexico or any country in Europe.

Please read the thread. What you ask has already been done.

I never said those things only occur in America.

You said lack of work ethic is one of the reasons America is in a state of decline. I don't see where you supported this with any solid facts or data. Maybe you can link me to it?

Yes, and that was followed with other things. Again, please read the thread.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 9/1/2015 2:31:00 PM (view original):
Shawn's proof is that he has talked to people who feel the same way.....the conflicting data is that Americans work more hours per week than just about every other first world nation.

That isn't conflicting data but besidethe point. The effort is what is lacking. The extra time that may ormay notbe put forth is wasted on lack of effort regardless.

Posted by davis on 9/1/2015 2:39:00 PM (view original):
We all know that if you redshirt a player his work ethic can nosedive.  This is what is wrong in America - too many people have been redshirted.  Especially those Americans who were pulled down from countries in a higher division.

Now that was funny.

Posted by fd343ny on 9/1/2015 4:36:00 PM (view original):
so, what would people think if an employee declined to use the company email system and instead handled work emails on a separate server outside the control of the company?

In my company it can't be done. You could pretend maybe but you couldn't get your work email while you were at work and that could be a problem.

Posted by shawnfucious on 9/1/2015 6:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 9/1/2015 2:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by shawnfucious on 9/1/2015 9:55:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 9/1/2015 4:36:00 AM (view original):

Posted by shawnfucious on 8/31/2015 10:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 8/30/2015 8:38:00 PM (view original):
Truth? Based upon what?

What part of truth don't you understand? I ask in all sincerity.

Can you provide some data or examples from personal experience that would make your statement "the truth" rather than opinion?

Basically prove that things like surfing the Internet on your break, having social conversations at work, etc (and all things discussed in this thread that people find to be "normal" behavior) occur ONLY in America but not in Canada, Mexico or any country in Europe.

Please read the thread. What you ask has already been done.

I never said those things only occur in America.

You said lack of work ethic is one of the reasons America is in a state of decline. I don't see where you supported this with any solid facts or data. Maybe you can link me to it?

Yes, and that was followed with other things. Again, please read the thread.

Okay I reread the entire thread like you asked. All I could find was you saying it was a "simple fact" that the work ethic in America is "abysmal". And "America is seen as a joke by other cultures and countries".

So that's a fact? Where's the evidence?

Posted by shawnfucious on 9/1/2015 6:26:00 PM (view original):

Posted by fd343ny on 9/1/2015 4:36:00 PM (view original):
so, what would people think if an employee declined to use the company email system and instead handled work emails on a separate server outside the control of the company?

In my company it can't be done. You could pretend maybe but you couldn't get your work email while you were at work and that could be a problem.

if it could be done despite policy to the contrary, is it wrong?

Posted by Benis on 9/1/2015 6:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by shawnfucious on 9/1/2015 6:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 9/1/2015 2:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by shawnfucious on 9/1/2015 9:55:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by shawnfucious on 8/31/2015 10:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 8/30/2015 8:38:00 PM (view original):
Truth? Based upon what?

What part of truth don't you understand? I ask in all sincerity.

Can you provide some data or examples from personal experience that would make your statement "the truth" rather than opinion?

Basically prove that things like surfing the Internet on your break, having social conversations at work, etc (and all things discussed in this thread that people find to be "normal" behavior) occur ONLY in America but not in Canada, Mexico or any country in Europe.

Please read the thread. What you ask has already been done.

I never said those things only occur in America.

You said lack of work ethic is one of the reasons America is in a state of decline. I don't see where you supported this with any solid facts or data. Maybe you can link me to it?

Yes, and that was followed with other things. Again, please read the thread.

Okay I reread the entire thread like you asked. All I could find was you saying it was a "simple fact" that the work ethic in America is "abysmal". And "America is seen as a joke by other cultures and countries".

So that's a fact? Where's the evidence?

You didn't read the whole thread if that's all you found.

Posted by fd343ny on 9/1/2015 8:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by shawnfucious on 9/1/2015 6:26:00 PM (view original):

Posted by fd343ny on 9/1/2015 4:36:00 PM (view original):
so, what would people think if an employee declined to use the company email system and instead handled work emails on a separate server outside the control of the company?

In my company it can't be done. You could pretend maybe but you couldn't get your work email while you were at work and that could be a problem.

if it could be done despite policy to the contrary, is it wrong?

Having the ability to do something does not by itself have any bearing upon whether it is right or wrong to do it.

Clearly if there is a policy against doing something at a workplace, then it is wrong to do it whether or not you can do it.

You said checking WIS at work is "stealing" from your company...I feel like everyone can say/read whatever they want into this after this Shawnfoolery...I've never disliked a boob so much...

Posted by shawnfucious on 9/1/2015 6:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 9/1/2015 2:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by shawnfucious on 9/1/2015 9:55:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 9/1/2015 4:36:00 AM (view original):

Posted by shawnfucious on 8/31/2015 10:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 8/30/2015 8:38:00 PM (view original):
Truth? Based upon what?

What part of truth don't you understand? I ask in all sincerity.

Can you provide some data or examples from personal experience that would make your statement "the truth" rather than opinion?

Basically prove that things like surfing the Internet on your break, having social conversations at work, etc (and all things discussed in this thread that people find to be "normal" behavior) occur ONLY in America but not in Canada, Mexico or any country in Europe.

Please read the thread. What you ask has already been done.

I never said those things only occur in America.

You said lack of work ethic is one of the reasons America is in a state of decline. I don't see where you supported this with any solid facts or data. Maybe you can link me to it?

Yes, and that was followed with other things. Again, please read the thread.

I did. Twice. I couldn't find anything. Unless you're saying that the responses frim other posters on this thread are proof that the work ethic in America is bad?

Posted by colonels19 on 9/1/2015 10:02:00 PM (view original):
You said checking WIS at work is "stealing" from your company...I feel like everyone can say/read whatever they want into this after this Shawnfoolery...I've never disliked a boob so much...

Correction: I said using company equipment/connections at work without permission to do things that aren't part of your work is stealing.

You can't say or read whatever you want into anything you want unless your goal is to be wrong most of the time.

Posted by Benis on 9/1/2015 10:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by shawnfucious on 9/1/2015 6:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 9/1/2015 2:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by shawnfucious on 9/1/2015 9:55:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by shawnfucious on 8/31/2015 10:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 8/30/2015 8:38:00 PM (view original):
Truth? Based upon what?

What part of truth don't you understand? I ask in all sincerity.

Can you provide some data or examples from personal experience that would make your statement "the truth" rather than opinion?

Basically prove that things like surfing the Internet on your break, having social conversations at work, etc (and all things discussed in this thread that people find to be "normal" behavior) occur ONLY in America but not in Canada, Mexico or any country in Europe.

Please read the thread. What you ask has already been done.

I never said those things only occur in America.

You said lack of work ethic is one of the reasons America is in a state of decline. I don't see where you supported this with any solid facts or data. Maybe you can link me to it?

Yes, and that was followed with other things. Again, please read the thread.

I did. Twice. I couldn't find anything. Unless you're saying that the responses frim other posters on this thread are proof that the work ethic in America is bad?

The attitudes displayed by some posters are indicative of the work ethic problem in America, yes - but it's far worse than that.

People have said Americans spend more than other countries in terms of total work hours. I'm not sure I believe that, but even if it's true, I would counter that it would be out of necessity. After all, with so many Americans wasting company time by working at less than 100 percent effort or even stealing by using equipment/connections in ways the company doesn't permit, it's no wonder so much extra effort would be needed.

I find it hard to believe America is so messed up there are some hard working people who have to look  for work for a long time, yet there are people with these attitudes who already have jobs, many that are "good" jobs. 

I always think about how many people would love to have my job and ask why I am the one who has it and should continue to have it. If the answer is anything less than "because I work harder than they would" then I should resign. America would be a much better place if all took such an attitude.

Posted by shawnfucious on 9/2/2015 7:09:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 9/1/2015 10:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by shawnfucious on 9/1/2015 6:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 9/1/2015 2:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by shawnfucious on 9/1/2015 9:55:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 9/1/2015 4:36:00 AM (view original):

Posted by shawnfucious on 8/31/2015 10:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 8/30/2015 8:38:00 PM (view original):
Truth? Based upon what?

What part of truth don't you understand? I ask in all sincerity.

Can you provide some data or examples from personal experience that would make your statement "the truth" rather than opinion?

Basically prove that things like surfing the Internet on your break, having social conversations at work, etc (and all things discussed in this thread that people find to be "normal" behavior) occur ONLY in America but not in Canada, Mexico or any country in Europe.

Please read the thread. What you ask has already been done.

I never said those things only occur in America.

You said lack of work ethic is one of the reasons America is in a state of decline. I don't see where you supported this with any solid facts or data. Maybe you can link me to it?

Yes, and that was followed with other things. Again, please read the thread.

I did. Twice. I couldn't find anything. Unless you're saying that the responses frim other posters on this thread are proof that the work ethic in America is bad?

The attitudes displayed by some posters are indicative of the work ethic problem in America, yes - but it's far worse than that.

People have said Americans spend more than other countries in terms of total work hours. I'm not sure I believe that, but even if it's true, I would counter that it would be out of necessity. After all, with so many Americans wasting company time by working at less than 100 percent effort or even stealing by using equipment/connections in ways the company doesn't permit, it's no wonder so much extra effort would be needed.

I find it hard to believe America is so messed up there are some hard working people who have to look  for work for a long time, yet there are people with these attitudes who already have jobs, many that are "good" jobs. 

I always think about how many people would love to have my job and ask why I am the one who has it and should continue to have it. If the answer is anything less than "because I work harder than they would" then I should resign. America would be a much better place if all took such an attitude.

Have you ever been outside the United States? Much of the world has nap time in the middle of the day.