Proposed Updated Baseline for todays conferences Topic

where is the new baseline setup at? 
9/28/2015 2:56 PM
theres been a proposed change in baseline prestige?
9/28/2015 3:18 PM
ACC
A+ Duke
A+ North Carlonia
A- Notre Dame
A- Wake Forest
A- North Carlonia State
A- Boston College
B+ Virginia
B+ Florida St
B+ Georiga Tech
B Clemson
B Miami FL
B- Virgina Tech

Big East
A+Syracuse
A+ Louisville
A Georgetown
A- Villanova
A- Pittsburgh
B+ Providence
B+ Butler
B Xavier
B Creighton
B St Johns
B- Seton Hall
B- DuPaul

Big10
A+ Michigan State
A Maryland
A- Indiana
A- Wisconsin
A- Ohio State
B+ Illinois
B+ Purdue
B+ Michigan
B Iowa
B Minnesota
C+ Penn State
C+ Northwestern

SEC
A+ Kentucky
A+ Florida
B+ Arkansas
B Tennessee
B LSU
B South Carlonia
B Vanderbilt
B Gerogia
B Alabama
B Auburn
B Mississippi
B Mississippi State

PAC 10
A+ UCLA
A+ Arizona
A- Stanord
B+ California
B+ Oregon
B Washington
B Oregon State
B Washington St
B Arizona St.
B USC
B Colorado
B Utah

Big12
A+ Kansas
A- Oklahoma
B+ Oklahoma St
B+ Texas
B Missouri
B Iowa State
B Texas Tech
B Texas A&M
B Kansas State
B TCU
B West Virginia
B Baylor

American Athletic
A+ UCONN
A- Cincinnati
A- Memphis
A- Marquette
B+ Temple
B  Dayton
B- Nebraska
C+ Tulsa
C+  Navy
C+ Tulane
C+ South Florida
C+ East Carlonia

A10
All Schools B 
Moved VCU to A10 Replaced Temple
Moved Rutgers to A10 Replaced Dayton
Moved Delaware to Replace Xavier

WCC

B Gonzaga
All other Schools C
Moved BYU
Moved Idaho St

Mountain West
B+ UNLV
B+ San Diego St.
B New Mexico
B+ Fresno State
All other schools C
Moved Utah State
Nevada, Wy, Air Force, Colo St, Nevada., Bosie St, Hawaii

CUSA
Moved
B- Charlotte
B- SMU
C Denver
The Rest
C

Horizon
All Schools C

Missouri Valley
Whit. St B+
All other Schools C+

CAA
All Schools C-

Sun Belt
Moved C North Texas
Moved  South Alambama D
the rest D

All other Schools D
 

9/30/2015 9:01 AM (edited)
where is that from?
9/28/2015 3:21 PM
I made a copy of it from the old baseline prestige
9/28/2015 3:26 PM
Posted by iwanturmind2 on 9/28/2015 3:26:00 PM (view original):
I made a copy of it from the old baseline prestige
so what is it? updated conferences with the same baseline?

i'll the the conf re-alignment you did was one of the better ones i have seen here, nebraska being the only team screwed
9/28/2015 3:27 PM
I added a new major conference.  Moved a few schools to reflect current conference affliation and changed the baseline to reflect recent success.  Some schools I added to make even conferences.  This proposal will give some job opportunity and create better battles.  Just my thought what do you guys think?
9/28/2015 3:31 PM
Posted by the0nlyis on 9/28/2015 3:29:00 PM (view original):
Posted by iwanturmind2 on 9/28/2015 3:26:00 PM (view original):
I made a copy of it from the old baseline prestige
so what is it? updated conferences with the same baseline?

i'll the the conf re-alignment you did was one of the better ones i have seen here, nebraska being the only team screwed
Yes I made a new major conference and Nebraska is a B- baseline so I just moved them to the new American Athletic.  Also Rutgers move was better they are a B- right now in this new allinment they are a B.  Hawaii and Fresno State got moved but Hawaii dropped to a C- and Fresno State should be a B+ both schools are B- now in Pac 10.  Butler and Xaiver also improved in baseline with this proposal Xaiver is B- and Butler I think is a B- or C not sure about them in Horizon I forgot.
9/28/2015 3:36 PM
I think baseline should be altered significantly. If I win 10 national championships in a row with a D-baseline school and then have a handful of crappy seasons, recruits will treat us like we were always a crap program, which makes no sense. 
9/28/2015 3:37 PM
I think a few programs in this update still are right like Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, Boston College, UCLA, Illinois all massively overranked.

Like trail said, I think the baseline should also be floating like current prestige, just over a much longer time say 20 seasons so that you can slowly increase baseline prestige as well, without making it so that New Mexico St is a perrenial NC contender after 4 seasons, but say w/e conf they are in gets filled with top coaches and they start bringing in cash and recruiting well for a long period of time maybe New Mexico st can become a nt contender and increase their baseline, it will be hard, just not impossible like it is now,
9/28/2015 5:40 PM
I think reworking the Baseline prestige is a solid idea, redoing the conférences too. I am all for it. I know it would also mean moving some DII team up, and getting some D1 down. NC Central, is D1. I don't agree with all the Baseline prestige of these teams, but some are pretty acurate. I mean UConn being A+ is a no-brainer. Penn State dropping to C+ is too. Creighton, Gonzaga, Wichita State and Marquette getting more recognition too.

Anyways, I like the D1 to Mirror real life.

It's a solid idea, I am all for it.
9/28/2015 7:29 PM
That'd be my version.

ACC
A+ Duke
A+ North Carolina
A- Georiga Tech
A- Wake Forest
A- North Carolina State
A- Notre Dame
B+ Boston College
B+ Virginia
B+ Florida St
B Clemson
B- Miami FL
B- Virgina Tech

Big East
A+Syracuse
A+ Louisville
A Georgetown
A Villanova
B+ Seton Hall
B+ Providence
B Pittsburgh
B Seton Hall
B Xavier
B Creighton
B St Johns
B Butler
B- DePaul

Big10
A+ Michigan State
A Illinois
A Maryland
A Indiana
A Wisconsin
A Ohio State
B+ Purdue
B+ Michigan
B Iowa
B Minnesota
C+ Penn State
C+ Northwestern

SEC
A+ Kentucky
A Florida
B+ Arkansas
B+ LSU
B Tennessee
B South Carolina
B Vanderbilt
B Georgia
B Alabama
B Auburn
B Mississippi
B Mississippi State

PAC 10
A+ UCLA
A+ Arizona
A-Stanford
B+ California
B+ Oregon
B Washington
B Oregon State
B Washington St
B Arizona St.
B USC
B Colorado
B Utah

Big12
A+ Kansas
A- Oklahoma
B+ Oklahoma St
B+ Texas
B+ Baylor
B Missouri
B Iowa State
B Texas Tech
B Texas A&M
B Kansas State
B TCU
B West Virginia


American Athletic
A+ UCONN
A- Cincinnati
B+ Temple
B+ Memphis
B+ Marquette
B Dayton
B- Tulsa
B- Nebraska
C Navy
C- Tulane
C+ South Florida
D+ East Carolina

A10
VCU B+
Delaware B-
Rutgers B-
All Schools B

WCC

B Gonzaga
B- BYU
All other Schools C


Mountain West
B+ UNLV
B San Diego St.
B New Mexico
B Fresno State
All other schools C
Moved Utah State
Nevada, Wy, Air Force, Colo St, Nevada., Bosie St, Hawaii

CUSA
Moved
B- Charlotte
C Denver
The Rest
C

Horizon
All Schools C

Missouri Valley
All Schools C+

Sun Belt
Moved C North Texas
Moved South Alambama D
the rest D

9/28/2015 7:37 PM
interesting. i think getting the A+s right is the most important, the only big objection i have to yours (iwanturmind) is that illinois is an a+, which i don't buy, over louisville, who has 3 championships, top 5-6 all time sweet 16s, etc... and are a top tier program in the last decade or so. i can see leaving indiana below even with 5 titles because kids definitely value recent seasons more than ones 30, 50, etc years back. but louisville is a+ both historically and in the last decade so i think they should be automatic.

i agree w/ the idea of floating baseline, it just makes sense, it seems silly the way WIS does it - they ONLY valued the last 10 seasons in their establishment of prestige, but then, you have 100 seasons in a world, worth nothing? seems crazy. to me, i'd make a baseline that is comprehensive, historical weighing maybe half and recent as half. then, you consider that the historical piece for baseline going forward. let schools build up to 50% of baseline being floating, for 20 seasons - with a proportional adjustment for the beginning (and maybe just ruling out the first 20 entirely until the world is full). i don't think we want to get into opposite world where the early conferences that get full become the new BCS schools, so i don't like the idea of an entirely floating prestige, but i think 50% is a good compromise, that would let any single program be competitive, but wouldn't totally abandon reality. new coaches would feel weird walking in if there was no semblance of reality in baseline prestiges.
9/28/2015 9:24 PM (edited)
You all have some weird prestige rankings lol.

BC, Wake Forest, and GT are all B-/C+ at best.

Seton Hall a B+ when they have 1 NT bid exactly 10 years ago and are one of the worst Big east teams  no way they deserve anyhting better than a C+

Illinois is a joke at A+ anything above B+ is generous

No one likes Pitt, Xavier, Zaga?

Does anyone think Big 6 programs should be able to have lower than a B- prestige which seems like the current low, I easily see some C+/C Big 6 programs like Seton Hall, NW, Oregon St. Texas Tech, Georgia Tech?

What's holding everyone from giving Florida an A+ because on results they are an A+ program?  Is memory so short sighted?  They were just F4, E8, E8, E8 and 2 NC's in the 10 year window



9/28/2015 11:43 PM
The Only : I disagree on Seton Hall and Georgia Tech. They are B at least. Florida could be a A+ easily. Wake Forest has to be a B minimum. To me Baseline rep is not all about results. I agree on Illinois, I did not see this one. It's not an A+.


Texas Tech could be C+, Oregon St. B-, Boston College C+.

Anyways, we could discuss it forever. As long as they make some changes so it mirrors real life, I don't really mind what they use. They could use wins and losses, NT appearances, etc. I just think some teams are undervalued and needs their base prestige to be more realistic.
9/29/2015 7:48 AM
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