Posted by thewizard17 on 5/20/2016 1:05:00 AM (view original):
Posted by nachopuzzle on 5/20/2016 12:00:00 AM (view original):
Posted by emy1013 on 5/19/2016 12:14:00 AM (view original):
Sorry, but with those kind of BH/Pass ratings, that team should be averaging way over 17.5 TO's per night. In fact, if they managed to steal the ball anywhere besides right under the opposition basket, there should be a decent chance that they'd turn the ball over on their ensuing possession. Just another example of how skewed the engine is towards Ath/Def.
To the post above that said it's cool that he's able to win in a different way, he's not. He's just taken the whole "Ath/Def" to near about it's most extreme level. He's not doing anything different then what's written in the How to Win at D2/D3 thread, he's just doing it at a hyper extreme level. Not to begrudge him, he's found a strategy that is very, very effective but he's also proven almost single handed that certain elements in the game engine need to be reined in.
Between the extreme Ath/Def teams (of which I tend to be contributor) and the 6/6/0/0 or 6/0/6/0 type teams, it's almost getting to the point where if a "normal" team wants to compete they have to sell out to one of those type strategies or face early NT exits, at best, every season. Oh sure, it's not impossible to win with different team set-ups, but it's becoming more and more difficult as more and more coaches sell out and go that route. Just a grumpy old man's two cents.
I haven't agreed more with almost anything that's ever been said in this entire forum.
Nothing personal against this coach or coaches that use super-classes...but strategies like these take absolutely no skill whatsoever, though much much more so for the later of those two.
Myers should get 100% credit and nothing should ever be taken away from his success. In regards to the 6/6/0/0, that isn't a super class. It's just 6 seniors and 6 juniors. 12 seniors would be a super class. It's not uncommon, IRL, to have 8 or 9 seniors on a team. When teams were allowed to carry 12 players in one class and everyone considered those super classes, nobody ever referred to the 6/6/0/0 as a super class, so not sure why that would change now.
This isn't myers fault, it's the developers of the game. A team with 24 ballhandling, 18 passing. There are D-1 PF's and C's with ballhandling/pass ratings in the 60s and 70s. The fact that they only have a 36 team speed rating and run a fastbreak style offense, you can surely see the ridiculousness of all of this. On top of that, abysmal perimeter and low post ratings. So basically, a team with zero offensive basketball skill is allowed to score 100 points per game and go to the line 70 times is quite absurd.
A couple thoughts: Firstly, there aren't any asterisks beside that coach or super-class coaches profiles, but if you think coaches who systematically use a specific Off/Def combination which allows them to only have to recruit for two attributes and/or recruits so they'll have a season with a team comprised only of upperclassmen (not to mention that when they do recruit they've been able to stockpile 100% of postseason money for 3 seasons in a row) deserve the same amount of respect from the HD community at large, then I honestly don't even know how to respond. Secondly, today IRL, I think it is very uncommon to have 8 or 9 seniors on a team. Thirdly, sure the original meaning of 'superclass' 12 seniors, but that was
forever ago and each time the subject of 'superclasses' has come up for years now there isn't any confusion about what it means, imho.
Lastly, I totally agree with your last section, but do you see how big of a non-sequitur that is??? Initially, you say it's equally impressive no matter how you win, then you very nicely layout the argument for how winning in that fashion is the path of least resistance...soooo, yeah.
I've said it in the past and I'll say it again, if I wanted to use the superclass structure then I could have won 20 championships by now. And I totally agree with emy that it seems like people are resorting to it more consistently as of lately.