Yeah, you hate BETA, quit. You have ideas, post them on the forum. It could make the game better. I would like veterans ideas taken into account more as Vandy expressed. They know the game like no others. Good post Chapel.

chapel - you are a good guy, no issue with you, and no issue with WIS taking action on someone who is disruptive in the forums without being at least a somewhat regularly paying customer. i mean, what % of HD coaches even read/post on the forums to begin with?

I used to probably be the single biggest poster in the HD forums for many years both helping new users, finding bugs, naming areas of concern, and enjoying community, then wis reset forum post count, well, just because they could. After that the new HD admin was absent from the forums for the most part and I left too.

Posted by zorzii on 8/12/2016 3:34:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, you hate BETA, quit. You have ideas, post them on the forum. It could make the game better. I would like veterans ideas taken into account more as Vandy expressed. They know the game like no others. Good post Chapel.

if you had put admin, a group of 10 vets, and a couple of first year users on a conference call once every two weeks for a couple months prior to beginning anything on beta then we wouldn't be in this mess.

Posted by possumfiend on 8/12/2016 12:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by taniajane on 8/12/2016 12:31:00 PM (view original):
As a business decision, I would also suspend posting privileges of those who are saying that they are definitely 100% leaving the game and are encouraging others to do the same. I don't understand why a company would allow that on their own forums when they are getting ready to release a product they are trying to promote. This kind of talk sways public opinion of the release in a negative way, and could encourage people to quit the game, who might try the Beta and end up really liking it.


NO problem....also refund the money spent prior to the New wonderful idea that I did not wish to pay for and is still held by WIS

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Very helpful, I had forgotten about this, hopefully I can convert some HD credit into HBD credit...

Posted by vandydave on 8/12/2016 3:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by zorzii on 8/12/2016 3:34:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, you hate BETA, quit. You have ideas, post them on the forum. It could make the game better. I would like veterans ideas taken into account more as Vandy expressed. They know the game like no others. Good post Chapel.

if you had put admin, a group of 10 vets, and a couple of first year users on a conference call once every two weeks for a couple months prior to beginning anything on beta then we wouldn't be in this mess.

THIS.
It's one simple idea that's been mentioned before that could have saved a lot of verbal abuse, forum bans and just plain nonsense. The knowledge possessed by both veterans and some of the new guys would have been very helpful in building an update that benefited every level...D3 up to D1. Wishful thinking, but damn it would have been a great thing to execute.

Posted by chapelhillne on 8/12/2016 12:28:00 PM (view original):
As most of you probably know from reading what I post, I love this game, and I really like the new release. I would venture to say I may have spent more time on Beta that pretty much anyone out there. Gotta be in the top 5 at least, especially since I ended up with 3 Beta teams (one at each level).

I have always enjoyed the forums as a source of good information on how to learn new strategies, and have questions answered. There is a lot of wisdom to be gained by reading the forums, that will make anyone a much better coach. It's a great place to develop friendships, and to pass the time on something that interests me and is my hobby.

However, lately the forums have become so toxic that it's really unpleasant to come on here. People are hurling insults at each other and at the developers constantly, and the same things are just being said over and over. Posts about topics quickly deteriorate into shouting matches, and threads about valid topics become 10 pages long, with very little information. The Beta is trashed relentlessly, often by people who did not even try it, or who tried one season for a limited time.

There is at least one person posting on the forums, dozens of times a day, that doesn't even have an active team in HD. And most of their posts are spent insulting other users and trashing the beta and developers.

People are on here "trying" to get others to leave the game. If you are going to leave the game, that's your choice. If you don't like it any more, or are willing to leave something you love without giving it a chance in "real" gameplay, you should probably just quit now. But why the effort in trying to get others to leave? I just don't understand the point of that.

I know a lot of people are upset about the Beta, and there's nothing at all wrong with voicing concerns and making positive suggestions. And I understand that many do not want this change, and think other changes would have been better.

But, at this point, the beta is going to happen. And I think that the good of the game, at this moment in time, needs to be looked at by HD management.

Personally, if I was in charge of HD, at this point I would probably suspend posting privileges for users that do not have any active teams if all they are doing is posting negative comments and insulting other users.

As a business decision, I would also suspend posting privileges of those who are saying that they are definitely 100% leaving the game and are encouraging others to do the same. I don't understand why a company would allow that on their own forums when they are getting ready to release a product they are trying to promote. This kind of talk sways public opinion of the release in a negative way, and could encourage people to quit the game, who might try the Beta and end up really liking it.

Also, new users will look at these forums and think, man, this game must suck, or it is getting ready to suck. I just wasted my money, and I am going to not even bother to waste my time with it.

Again, I don't see anything wrong with constructive suggestions on how to improve the Beta, but that's not what most of the talk is on the forums.

I'm sure I'll get blasted for this post by the predictable people, and I am not planning on responding to any of that. I don't enjoy conflict. But I just wanted to put my two cents out there as someone who loves the game, and is really looking forward to the new system.

Well chapel I agree and this game isn't going to fall like most people say it would but them people will be obvisuly forgotten about on here.

Posted by chapelhillne on 8/12/2016 12:28:00 PM (view original):
As most of you probably know from reading what I post, I love this game, and I really like the new release. I would venture to say I may have spent more time on Beta that pretty much anyone out there. Gotta be in the top 5 at least, especially since I ended up with 3 Beta teams (one at each level).

I have always enjoyed the forums as a source of good information on how to learn new strategies, and have questions answered. There is a lot of wisdom to be gained by reading the forums, that will make anyone a much better coach. It's a great place to develop friendships, and to pass the time on something that interests me and is my hobby.

However, lately the forums have become so toxic that it's really unpleasant to come on here. People are hurling insults at each other and at the developers constantly, and the same things are just being said over and over. Posts about topics quickly deteriorate into shouting matches, and threads about valid topics become 10 pages long, with very little information. The Beta is trashed relentlessly, often by people who did not even try it, or who tried one season for a limited time.

There is at least one person posting on the forums, dozens of times a day, that doesn't even have an active team in HD. And most of their posts are spent insulting other users and trashing the beta and developers.

People are on here "trying" to get others to leave the game. If you are going to leave the game, that's your choice. If you don't like it any more, or are willing to leave something you love without giving it a chance in "real" gameplay, you should probably just quit now. But why the effort in trying to get others to leave? I just don't understand the point of that.

I know a lot of people are upset about the Beta, and there's nothing at all wrong with voicing concerns and making positive suggestions. And I understand that many do not want this change, and think other changes would have been better.

But, at this point, the beta is going to happen. And I think that the good of the game, at this moment in time, needs to be looked at by HD management.

Personally, if I was in charge of HD, at this point I would probably suspend posting privileges for users that do not have any active teams if all they are doing is posting negative comments and insulting other users.

As a business decision, I would also suspend posting privileges of those who are saying that they are definitely 100% leaving the game and are encouraging others to do the same. I don't understand why a company would allow that on their own forums when they are getting ready to release a product they are trying to promote. This kind of talk sways public opinion of the release in a negative way, and could encourage people to quit the game, who might try the Beta and end up really liking it.

Also, new users will look at these forums and think, man, this game must suck, or it is getting ready to suck. I just wasted my money, and I am going to not even bother to waste my time with it.

Again, I don't see anything wrong with constructive suggestions on how to improve the Beta, but that's not what most of the talk is on the forums.

I'm sure I'll get blasted for this post by the predictable people, and I am not planning on responding to any of that. I don't enjoy conflict. But I just wanted to put my two cents out there as someone who loves the game, and is really looking forward to the new system.

+1

However, I don't 100% agre with this part (only 80).

business decision, I would also suspend posting privileges of those who are saying that they are definitely 100% leaving the game and are encouraging others to do the same. I don't understand why a company would allow that on their own forums when they are getting ready to release a product they are trying to promote. This kind of talk sways public opinion of the release in a negative way, and could encourage people to quit the game, who might try the Beta and end up really liking it.

lol, nice coloring.

Posted by gomiami1972 on 8/12/2016 5:34:00 PM (view original):
lol, nice coloring.

Maroon and White! ;)

Posted by cubcub113 on 8/12/2016 5:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 8/12/2016 5:34:00 PM (view original):
lol, nice coloring.

Maroon and White! ;)

My high school colors. Where's Dac?

Go Redmen!

Posted by vandydave on 8/12/2016 2:46:00 PM (view original):
The existing user base had zero
voice in the completely arbitrary new HD. Voice into the completely new direction of HD with beta isn't even comparable to having voice into what direction the new beta should have gone.

Silencing dissenting voices would likely be welcomed by HD, which is really at the root of the problem.

+1

Posted by chapelhillne on 8/12/2016 12:28:00 PM (view original):
As most of you probably know from reading what I post, I love this game, and I really like the new release. I would venture to say I may have spent more time on Beta that pretty much anyone out there. Gotta be in the top 5 at least, especially since I ended up with 3 Beta teams (one at each level).

I have always enjoyed the forums as a source of good information on how to learn new strategies, and have questions answered. There is a lot of wisdom to be gained by reading the forums, that will make anyone a much better coach. It's a great place to develop friendships, and to pass the time on something that interests me and is my hobby.

However, lately the forums have become so toxic that it's really unpleasant to come on here. People are hurling insults at each other and at the developers constantly, and the same things are just being said over and over. Posts about topics quickly deteriorate into shouting matches, and threads about valid topics become 10 pages long, with very little information. The Beta is trashed relentlessly, often by people who did not even try it, or who tried one season for a limited time.

There is at least one person posting on the forums, dozens of times a day, that doesn't even have an active team in HD. And most of their posts are spent insulting other users and trashing the beta and developers.

People are on here "trying" to get others to leave the game. If you are going to leave the game, that's your choice. If you don't like it any more, or are willing to leave something you love without giving it a chance in "real" gameplay, you should probably just quit now. But why the effort in trying to get others to leave? I just don't understand the point of that.

I know a lot of people are upset about the Beta, and there's nothing at all wrong with voicing concerns and making positive suggestions. And I understand that many do not want this change, and think other changes would have been better.

But, at this point, the beta is going to happen. And I think that the good of the game, at this moment in time, needs to be looked at by HD management.

Personally, if I was in charge of HD, at this point I would probably suspend posting privileges for users that do not have any active teams if all they are doing is posting negative comments and insulting other users.

As a business decision, I would also suspend posting privileges of those who are saying that they are definitely 100% leaving the game and are encouraging others to do the same. I don't understand why a company would allow that on their own forums when they are getting ready to release a product they are trying to promote. This kind of talk sways public opinion of the release in a negative way, and could encourage people to quit the game, who might try the Beta and end up really liking it.

Also, new users will look at these forums and think, man, this game must suck, or it is getting ready to suck. I just wasted my money, and I am going to not even bother to waste my time with it.

Again, I don't see anything wrong with constructive suggestions on how to improve the Beta, but that's not what most of the talk is on the forums.

I'm sure I'll get blasted for this post by the predictable people, and I am not planning on responding to any of that. I don't enjoy conflict. But I just wanted to put my two cents out there as someone who loves the game, and is really looking forward to the new system.

D*mn fine post, chapelhillne, top drawer all the way.

And I had to laugh at guys trying to use a technical term like "passive aggressive" who obviously have no clue as to its actual meaning. But I digress.

chapelhillne, +1 !

Posted by Benis on 8/12/2016 5:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cubcub113 on 8/12/2016 5:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 8/12/2016 5:34:00 PM (view original):
lol, nice coloring.

Maroon and White! ;)

My high school colors. Where's Dac?

Go Redmen!

Redmen? Aren't you too damn young for that Redmen ****? Weren't you a Redhawk?