I get a kick out of how you guys think zed and I recruit.  You all really aren't even close.  By the way I don't know about no hump I haven't crossed.  I go and rebuild teams stay for a while and leave.  I don't cherry pick although I have to admit when Yankinwis asked me to take over Stillman it was a good team.  But I won the NC with my own players.  Gino and I did 2 together and had 2 NCs. Both Iona and L I could win it all if I could game plan worth a crap.  You have your fun, I'll have mine.  I don't see a hump at all.  What I see is a bunch of players in the pool over looked.  And I think DIAA has been easiest to recruit  but I think a lot depends on the area you're in.  Westrn State Colorado was  by for the hardest to recruit for that I've had in DIII, DII, and DIAA

If a coach in my conf has a player turned green, I leave them alone.   A gentlemans courtesy W/I the conf.   That isn't a solicited venture, that's just me.  That is where the courtesy ends.  If they are yellow, they are available to recruit.   As Duke put it; "if a player is unsigned, he can be recruited."  I have taken players, and had players taken away, as we all have.  Frustrating?  It used to be, but there is a part of the Recruiting Manifesto that sticks with me now "Never fall in love with a recruit." 

Posted by grindi on 4/30/2012 10:20:00 PM (view original):
I get a kick out of how you guys think zed and I recruit.  You all really aren't even close.  By the way I don't know about no hump I haven't crossed.  I go and rebuild teams stay for a while and leave.  I don't cherry pick although I have to admit when Yankinwis asked me to take over Stillman it was a good team.  But I won the NC with my own players.  Gino and I did 2 together and had 2 NCs. Both Iona and L I could win it all if I could game plan worth a crap.  You have your fun, I'll have mine.  I don't see a hump at all.  What I see is a bunch of players in the pool over looked.  And I think DIAA has been easiest to recruit  but I think a lot depends on the area you're in.  Westrn State Colorado was  by for the hardest to recruit for that I've had in DIII, DII, and DIAA

Can you explain how you recruit then?  Or is that secret?

If there are so many identical recruits, then a viable strategy would be to wait until after signing day to begin, and have a field day with the leftovers!

Grindi, you might want to discuss your philosophy with Urban Meyer and other top coaches. It's just the facts of life and it's called "recruiting" for a reason.

Posted by caesari on 4/30/2012 7:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by slid64er on 4/30/2012 11:04:00 AM (view original):
The only rule would be that the coach has to pick a team that has been a SIM for at least 5 seasons.  It would mean starting out t DIII.  Then after say 6 seasons move up to DII.  If we place a point value on our rankings at the end of the season we could actually have some sort of measure.

Let's make it 7 season (in case there are only 2 coaches we should use an odd number) and head to head in OOC instead of ranking (which can be easily manipulated). 

We set up a dummy account and every coach throws in a 10 pack.  When everyone has paid up, the account is given to a neutral caretaker who changes the password.  When the series is over, the caretaker gives the password to the winner and the winner can transfer all the seasons to his account.  We reup for D2 and repeat the process.

 

Love it, Reid. Are you planning on participating?

I would, it would give me a reason to start paying attention again. Unfortunately, I've got no takers on this.

what a bunch of whiners.  Seriously.  Unless someone is hacking your account, shut up and recruit. 

Come on in to heisman and pick a school with 4 previous years of SIMs.  I'm there at Norwich.  We'll see if your way or my is better or equal.  There is plenty fo talent out there but not all the guys are equal.  But I will give this hint.  It is much easier to grow a recruit in the lower Divs if when you recruit you make sure their high catagories are the same for all at that position as well as the lows.  That way you can practice extra for the low one and grow it faster to get equal.  Try to align your players strength and weakenesses so you can maximize your practice.  You end up with better players when they are Jrs and Srs.  You guys obviously have success getting poor potential players.  I don't go after them unless I am at DIA and they have to be real studs.  But here I am trying to be nice to guys that all they do is trash me.  Onside you aren't even playing.  Put your pride where your mouths are and come to Heisman.  So far all I see is a bunch of air bags.  If Slid decides to come, or Nelson, smart money goes on them.  I just can't meet Slids wager right now and it would be bad bet.  That's like betting you can beat Mike Tyson in a boxing match even if he is all washed up.  There's a difference in being scared and being prudent.  Nobody has a reason to be prudent of me so I guess you're scared of getting beat.

Posted by grindi on 5/1/2012 2:27:00 PM (view original):
Come on in to heisman and pick a school with 4 previous years of SIMs.  I'm there at Norwich.  We'll see if your way or my is better or equal.  There is plenty fo talent out there but not all the guys are equal.  But I will give this hint.  It is much easier to grow a recruit in the lower Divs if when you recruit you make sure their high catagories are the same for all at that position as well as the lows.  That way you can practice extra for the low one and grow it faster to get equal.  Try to align your players strength and weakenesses so you can maximize your practice.  You end up with better players when they are Jrs and Srs.  You guys obviously have success getting poor potential players.  I don't go after them unless I am at DIA and they have to be real studs.  But here I am trying to be nice to guys that all they do is trash me.  Onside you aren't even playing.  Put your pride where your mouths are and come to Heisman.  So far all I see is a bunch of air bags.  If Slid decides to come, or Nelson, smart money goes on them.  I just can't meet Slids wager right now and it would be bad bet.  That's like betting you can beat Mike Tyson in a boxing match even if he is all washed up.  There's a difference in being scared and being prudent.  Nobody has a reason to be prudent of me so I guess you're scared of getting beat.

The only reason I'm not playing is because the engine sucks.  If the engine was decent, I would pay the little money I had to play, because this game was awesome.

The hint you gave about recruiting is interesting.  I've never considered it.  However, I don't think I would ever implement something like that, because your players will always be lower in those stats anyway and it hampers the growth of the better stats.  I would prefer a team that was balanced in all stats instead of favoring others (not to mention the fact that not every stat is equal).  But that's just me.

Works best at DIAA and DIA when there isn't much growth left in the catagory.  You don't get much over 90. Pour 5 minutes or 20 into that attribute and the growth is the same.  Get an 80 catagory guy and with the extra minutes you can get him to 90 easy and quickly.  If say 1 OL on your team has a 90 in say Str and another has 80, then the same guys have 90 and 80 in Blk,  When you got to spread out your practice you will put the say 20 mins in each.  then spread stuff out.  If both were 90 STR, you could put 5 minutes in there, and they would grow the same if they had 20 and use the extra 15 someplace else.  Say GI or even Hands.  It's a little more work at recruiting time but it seems to pay off for me when I can spend enough time looking.  At the lower levels, since I'm not hampered by that 90 limit, I target a different set of numbers. 

Posted by grindi on 5/2/2012 12:11:00 AM (view original):
Works best at DIAA and DIA when there isn't much growth left in the catagory.  You don't get much over 90. Pour 5 minutes or 20 into that attribute and the growth is the same.  Get an 80 catagory guy and with the extra minutes you can get him to 90 easy and quickly.  If say 1 OL on your team has a 90 in say Str and another has 80, then the same guys have 90 and 80 in Blk,  When you got to spread out your practice you will put the say 20 mins in each.  then spread stuff out.  If both were 90 STR, you could put 5 minutes in there, and they would grow the same if they had 20 and use the extra 15 someplace else.  Say GI or even Hands.  It's a little more work at recruiting time but it seems to pay off for me when I can spend enough time looking.  At the lower levels, since I'm not hampered by that 90 limit, I target a different set of numbers. 

This strategy can't be all that successful except at a very few of the top end schools where you can't get the 90/90/90 players pretty much across the board.  Most schools in DIAA and even low level DIA are lucky to get a player with 90 in any of the key categories.  It just isn't a viable recruiting strategy for the vast majority.  I also question the legitimacy of always have "weak" RB's or whatever.  It seems like a coach would be better served to mix in weak and strong, fast and slow, smart and dumb, technical and not technical, etc.  That way you can better maximize down and distance and situation. 

Posted by moranis on 5/2/2012 11:08:00 AM (view original):

Posted by grindi on 5/2/2012 12:11:00 AM (view original):
Works best at DIAA and DIA when there isn't much growth left in the catagory.  You don't get much over 90. Pour 5 minutes or 20 into that attribute and the growth is the same.  Get an 80 catagory guy and with the extra minutes you can get him to 90 easy and quickly.  If say 1 OL on your team has a 90 in say Str and another has 80, then the same guys have 90 and 80 in Blk,  When you got to spread out your practice you will put the say 20 mins in each.  then spread stuff out.  If both were 90 STR, you could put 5 minutes in there, and they would grow the same if they had 20 and use the extra 15 someplace else.  Say GI or even Hands.  It's a little more work at recruiting time but it seems to pay off for me when I can spend enough time looking.  At the lower levels, since I'm not hampered by that 90 limit, I target a different set of numbers. 

This strategy can't be all that successful except at a very few of the top end schools where you can't get the 90/90/90 players pretty much across the board.  Most schools in DIAA and even low level DIA are lucky to get a player with 90 in any of the key categories.  It just isn't a viable recruiting strategy for the vast majority.  I also question the legitimacy of always have "weak" RB's or whatever.  It seems like a coach would be better served to mix in weak and strong, fast and slow, smart and dumb, technical and not technical, etc.  That way you can better maximize down and distance and situation. 

I would agree with that in RL, but since you don't have situational lineups in this engine, you'll end up with the slow guy when you need the fast one, and the stupid one when you need the smart one. grindi's tactic will work when your team is developed and you're starting juniors and seniors, and your recruiting classes are roughly the same size. If you have unbalanced classes and/or are forced to start freshmen and sophomores, you end up with a huge hole in your team.

Posted by scrodz on 5/2/2012 11:17:00 AM (view original):

Posted by moranis on 5/2/2012 11:08:00 AM (view original):

Posted by grindi on 5/2/2012 12:11:00 AM (view original):
Works best at DIAA and DIA when there isn't much growth left in the catagory.  You don't get much over 90. Pour 5 minutes or 20 into that attribute and the growth is the same.  Get an 80 catagory guy and with the extra minutes you can get him to 90 easy and quickly.  If say 1 OL on your team has a 90 in say Str and another has 80, then the same guys have 90 and 80 in Blk,  When you got to spread out your practice you will put the say 20 mins in each.  then spread stuff out.  If both were 90 STR, you could put 5 minutes in there, and they would grow the same if they had 20 and use the extra 15 someplace else.  Say GI or even Hands.  It's a little more work at recruiting time but it seems to pay off for me when I can spend enough time looking.  At the lower levels, since I'm not hampered by that 90 limit, I target a different set of numbers. 

This strategy can't be all that successful except at a very few of the top end schools where you can't get the 90/90/90 players pretty much across the board.  Most schools in DIAA and even low level DIA are lucky to get a player with 90 in any of the key categories.  It just isn't a viable recruiting strategy for the vast majority.  I also question the legitimacy of always have "weak" RB's or whatever.  It seems like a coach would be better served to mix in weak and strong, fast and slow, smart and dumb, technical and not technical, etc.  That way you can better maximize down and distance and situation. 

I would agree with that in RL, but since you don't have situational lineups in this engine, you'll end up with the slow guy when you need the fast one, and the stupid one when you need the smart one. grindi's tactic will work when your team is developed and you're starting juniors and seniors, and your recruiting classes are roughly the same size. If you have unbalanced classes and/or are forced to start freshmen and sophomores, you end up with a huge hole in your team.

I put a slow guy with great hands as my slot receiver.  I put the strong blocker as the FB.  I put the great hands guy as the third down back.  There are plenty of ways you can manipulate the depth charts to get what you want. 

As for the OL, you want to have a good mix of high strength, high block, and high technique guys because it will balance out.  If you whole team is strong but with terrible blocking it won't do you any good, but if you have some high strength and some high block guys you can balance it out. 

At the end of the day, I just recruit the best players I can at the positions I need.  Anyone that does anything differently is just wasting time.