Posted by silentpadna on 8/27/2015 10:07:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 8/27/2015 9:31:00 AM (view original):
Abortion is a loser for "true" conservatives. "Every life is precious" doesn't work when you believe in the death penalty. Or, in tec's case, that some criminals get what they deserve on the street.
And the "it's just a page turn on a calendar" is a horrible argument if you believe grown men shouldn't have sex with 17 y/o girls but 18 is legal in the eyes of the law.
"Every life is precious" is not really the position. The position is that human life has a natural right to life for one reason, and one reason only: by virtue of its being human. Not where it lives, not its degree of dependence on another person, not its stage of development, and not its own ability to take care of itself. A human's right to life is one of the most basic foundations of natural law, and of our own nation.
The death penalty is logically a different issue, but with some shared elements. I'm not a big death penalty proponent, but when it's administered there is due process involved. For the record, without eyewitness to corroborate even the most powerful of circumstantial evidence, I'm generally against it - even though it is a just punishment for murder.
There is a "due process" for abortion. One must be a consenting adult, or have parental permission, and the pregnancy can't be beyond a certain date. You're OK with due process for the death penalty because it somewhat lines up with your personal belief but not with abortion because it does not.
I know I can't convince you to change your mind, the street runs both ways, but we're both just dealing with the semantics of what we believe. A woman eight months wants an abortion and I'm all "OH HELL NO!!!" because that's beyond acceptable to me. It should be beyond acceptable to those who say "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her body" but that conflicts with the sentence just uttered. Nonetheless, I bet it's hard to find a proponent of 8th month abortions even though it's still the woman's body. IOW, regardless of belief, everyone has a line. The line is just different for me, you and "woman has the right" people. But there's still a line.