Posted by bad_luck on 5/3/2013 11:37:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 5/3/2013 10:16:00 AM (view original):Should blacks have just chilled out a little bit and let the civil rights movement just happen? Maybe women would have an easier time today if they hadn't fought so hard for the right to vote and just accepted that fighting for equal rights just made people fight harder against them?
Posted by bad_luck on 5/2/2013 4:15:00 PM (view original):SSM is new to the US. There is no precedent that gay couples do, or should, have the same rights to marriage. That's the debate. Like it or not, the reason for the debate is that a rather large sub-set of society finds homosexuality an affront to their beliefs. IOW, they find it offensive.
Posted by MikeT23 on 5/2/2013 3:36:00 PM (view original):Again, there are differences. The porn law applies equally to everyone. One group isn't being singled out. Also, porn is readily available in other formats. States that ban gay marriage leave gays that want to marry without any options.
Is it? What "new" development has occurred in the last 20-30 pages? Other than NBC porn=SSM?
Anyway, the point I was making was simple. You told tec that some people finding SSM offensive wasn't a good enough reason to prevent it. That's exactly why porn is not shown on network TV. Too many find porn offensive. Religious right, ultra-conservative, Tea Party, whatever label you want to put on them. But there are enough to stop it. Of course, that has a $$$ factor that SSM, I assume, does not. But my guess it's the same group(s) that would object. More or less.
Homosexuality has come a long way in the last 20-30 years. It's not yet "mainstream" as evidenced by all the hoopla over the NBA player who came out this week. The fact that someone has to "come out" speaks volumes. Collins likely won't have a job next year, not because he's openly gay, but because he's just not that good. However, the gay community will use that to promote their cause(edited). "Collins was blackballed because he's gay!!!" That, in itself, wil cause those who object to homosexuality, at it's core, to push back even harder. So, despite coming a long way, there's still a long way to go. People just need to recognize this.
Some things take time. Next year, maybe 5 years, maybe 10, no one will care about SSM. However, by demanding it NOW!!!, they are strengthening the resolve of those who oppose it. Maybe it's worth the fight today for some but I think it's actually setting back the eventuality of SSM.
Asking gays to just wait for equal rights is ridiculous. The expansion of liberty is a good thing and I have zero interest in telling someone else how they get to live their life.
Men, women and blacks(of any color) are the same species from a biological standpoint. We know why blacks, and women to a lesser extent, were not considered equals. So that's not a legit argument. No one is denying the gays the right to vote, eat in the same diners, drive a car, etc, etc. They have the same basic rights as every other human. Marriage is an institution in our society. Call it a club if that makes more sense to you. Everyone is not admitted to every club.
FWIW, the "expansion of liberty" is running this country into the ground. Morally speaking, the US is bankrupt. So many of our social problems can be traced back to the "expansion of liberty" that we now have. Maybe instant "expansion of liberty" isn't such a good thing.