Posted by burnsy483 on 7/1/2013 11:31:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 7/1/2013 11:21:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 7/1/2013 10:24:00 AM (view original):
If it makes you feel better, I think each individual marriage, traditional or same sex, is different.   I don't necessarily think married parents are any better at child-rearing than unmarried parents. 

Parenting is more a function of the people involved.  Having them being married provides a marginal benefit in that it provides a level of stability and security to the family unit.

I'm assuming you would also mean a civil union works with this argument too, yes? As in there's no difference.

Posted by tecwrg on 7/1/2013 11:51:00 AM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 7/1/2013 11:31:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 7/1/2013 11:21:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 7/1/2013 10:24:00 AM (view original):
If it makes you feel better, I think each individual marriage, traditional or same sex, is different.   I don't necessarily think married parents are any better at child-rearing than unmarried parents. 

Parenting is more a function of the people involved.  Having them being married provides a marginal benefit in that it provides a level of stability and security to the family unit.

I'm assuming you would also mean a civil union works with this argument too, yes? As in there's no difference.

No, because as I've stated numerous times, children are better served with oppisite sex parents.

Posted by tecwrg on 7/1/2013 11:50:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 7/1/2013 11:29:00 AM (view original):
1) You are free to believe that. Other people disagree. Beliefs are personal, though, and you shouldn't try to impose yours on others. No one is requiring that you live your life a certain way, extend others the same courtesy.

2) see #1

3) the choice isn't opposite sex parents or gay parents, it's gay married parents or gay unmarried parents. It's pretty clear that children benefit when their parents are married.

How is expressing my beliefs the same as imposing them on others?

Isn't that EXACTLY the same as what you've been doing this entire thread?

Should I chide you for trying to imposing your beliefs on me?

Posted by burnsy483 on 7/1/2013 11:31:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 7/1/2013 11:21:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 7/1/2013 10:24:00 AM (view original):
If it makes you feel better, I think each individual marriage, traditional or same sex, is different.   I don't necessarily think married parents are any better at child-rearing than unmarried parents. 

Parenting is more a function of the people involved.  Having them being married provides a marginal benefit in that it provides a level of stability and security to the family unit.

I'm assuming you would also mean a civil union works with this argument too, yes? As in there's no difference.

Posted by bad_luck on 7/1/2013 12:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 7/1/2013 11:31:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 7/1/2013 11:21:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 7/1/2013 10:24:00 AM (view original):
If it makes you feel better, I think each individual marriage, traditional or same sex, is different.   I don't necessarily think married parents are any better at child-rearing than unmarried parents. 

Parenting is more a function of the people involved.  Having them being married provides a marginal benefit in that it provides a level of stability and security to the family unit.

I'm assuming you would also mean a civil union works with this argument too, yes? As in there's no difference.

I think tec is saying that a civil union and marriage are the same thing.

Right, tec?

Posted by burnsy483 on 7/1/2013 11:52:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 7/1/2013 11:51:00 AM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 7/1/2013 11:31:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 7/1/2013 11:21:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 7/1/2013 10:24:00 AM (view original):
If it makes you feel better, I think each individual marriage, traditional or same sex, is different.   I don't necessarily think married parents are any better at child-rearing than unmarried parents. 

Parenting is more a function of the people involved.  Having them being married provides a marginal benefit in that it provides a level of stability and security to the family unit.

I'm assuming you would also mean a civil union works with this argument too, yes? As in there's no difference.

No, because as I've stated numerous times, children are better served with oppisite sex parents.

Sorry, I'll word better.  

"Having them being married provides a marginal benefit in that it provides a level of stability and security to the family unit."

If we're talking about homosexuals, does being in a civil union provide the same level of stability as a marriage would? In your opinion.

Posted by tecwrg on 7/1/2013 12:37:00 PM (view original):
Sure, I suppose so.

Posted by burnsy483 on 7/1/2013 11:06:00 AM (view original):
The crux of the argument - there are some, like BL and myself, who really don't see a difference on how gays have a relationship, raise children, live their lives in general (aside from their sexuality). They're people, like anyone.  There are others, like Mike and tec, who think that the way gays live is so different than heterosexuals that they have to be treated differently.  

Posted by burnsy483 on 7/1/2013 11:48:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 7/1/2013 11:35:00 AM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 7/1/2013 11:28:00 AM (view original):
I mean, you don't consider 2 fathers and their child a family, so obviously you think they're doing something significantly different.

Maybe the "way gays live" was the wrong wording for you, but I think you're missing the point and maybe being dense on purpose.  You see a significant enough difference between homosexuals and heterosexuals when it comes to being couples and raising children to treat them differently.  I don't.

(sigh)

To me, a family is a mother, a father, and children.  What's missing in your example above is mom.  That, and you have an extra dad.

I'm fine with homosexual couples.  Just don't call their formal union "marriage", because marriage is between a man and a woman.

As far as raising children, in a case of adoption, I believe that adopted children are better served in a traditional family with a mom and a dad, because I believe men and woman each bring something different to the parenting experience and providing for a better rounded experience for the child growing up.

What parts of the above three things are you not understanding.

Nothing.  I think you just agreed with my statement.  (or maybe I am misunderstanding something)

Posted by tecwrg on 7/1/2013 12:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 7/1/2013 12:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 7/1/2013 11:31:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 7/1/2013 11:21:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 7/1/2013 10:24:00 AM (view original):
If it makes you feel better, I think each individual marriage, traditional or same sex, is different.   I don't necessarily think married parents are any better at child-rearing than unmarried parents. 

Parenting is more a function of the people involved.  Having them being married provides a marginal benefit in that it provides a level of stability and security to the family unit.

I'm assuming you would also mean a civil union works with this argument too, yes? As in there's no difference.

I think tec is saying that a civil union and marriage are the same thing.

Right, tec?

One (marriage) has been around  for tens of thousands of years, and has a very specific and traditional connotation.

The other (civil union) has only been around a few decades, and has a slightly different meaning.

Posted by MikeT23 on 7/1/2013 12:47:00 PM (view original):
You're also an adult(at least in age).   Ask a 6 year old.   You know, the people they'll be hanging around with all day.

Posted by bad_luck on 7/1/2013 1:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 7/1/2013 12:47:00 PM (view original):
You're also an adult(at least in age).   Ask a 6 year old.   You know, the people they'll be hanging around with all day.

Maybe someone should do a study of 500 kids of gay parents and see how they turned out?

As I said, 500 isn't a whole lot.  

As I said, I don't even think those 500 were in our society.

Your point?