Posted by MikeT23 on 7/2/2013 12:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 7/2/2013 12:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 7/2/2013 12:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by deathinahole on 7/2/2013 12:36:00 PM (view original):
I think I got it. Sterile women should not be able to adopt.

Don't care about them either.    Your desire to raise children isn't my problem.

We don't allow people to adopt because we want to fulfill their desire to have kids, we allow people to adopt because there are kids out there that need homes.

Honestly, you are a bistiza quality troll. Golf clap.

If you aren't a troll, you are among least intelligent people on earth.

Coming from you, that really stings.

Hope I can get over it.

I'm sure you will, since you probably can't actually read the things being written about you.

Posted by bad_luck on 7/2/2013 12:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 7/2/2013 12:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 7/2/2013 12:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 7/2/2013 12:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by deathinahole on 7/2/2013 12:36:00 PM (view original):
I think I got it. Sterile women should not be able to adopt.

Don't care about them either.    Your desire to raise children isn't my problem.

We don't allow people to adopt because we want to fulfill their desire to have kids, we allow people to adopt because there are kids out there that need homes.

Honestly, you are a bistiza quality troll. Golf clap.

If you aren't a troll, you are among least intelligent people on earth.

Coming from you, that really stings.

Hope I can get over it.

I'm sure you will, since you probably can't actually read the things being written about you.

Oh, the pain.   Please stop.   It hurts so bad because I respect your opinion so much.

Posted by bad_luck on 7/2/2013 12:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 7/2/2013 12:43:00 PM (view original):
And sure, B could indeed turn out to be straight.  I think it would suprise some people if he were, and some might wonder if it's just a case of repressed homosexuality.

My point is that he's still a kid. He probably doesn't even know if he is gay or straight.

That's the whole point of my question . . . when is he considered gay?  Is it if/when he realizes it and/or comes out, is it when he participates in his first homosexual behavior, when?  What if he represses his sexuality to "conform"?

Posted by tecwrg on 7/2/2013 12:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 7/2/2013 12:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 7/2/2013 12:43:00 PM (view original):
And sure, B could indeed turn out to be straight.  I think it would suprise some people if he were, and some might wonder if it's just a case of repressed homosexuality.

My point is that he's still a kid. He probably doesn't even know if he is gay or straight.

That's the whole point of my question . . . when is he considered gay?  Is it if/when he realizes it and/or comes out, is it when he participates in his first homosexual behavior, when?  What if he represses his sexuality to "conform"?

He is probably gay, just like your son is probably straight. I think sexuality is determined long before anyone is old enough to act on it. But no one else will know for sure until he acts on it or tells someone.

Posted by tecwrg on 7/2/2013 12:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 7/2/2013 12:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 7/2/2013 12:43:00 PM (view original):
And sure, B could indeed turn out to be straight.  I think it would suprise some people if he were, and some might wonder if it's just a case of repressed homosexuality.

My point is that he's still a kid. He probably doesn't even know if he is gay or straight.

That's the whole point of my question . . . when is he considered gay?  Is it if/when he realizes it and/or comes out, is it when he participates in his first homosexual behavior, when?  What if he represses his sexuality to "conform"?

It's what one knows inside their head/heart.    If he doesn't realize it, he's not gay.

Posted by MikeT23 on 7/2/2013 12:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 7/2/2013 12:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 7/2/2013 12:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 7/2/2013 12:35:00 PM (view original):
Yes, homosexuals can't reproduce.  Obviously.

I guess I'm missing a point then.

Would the inability to reproduce create an obstacle in "getting" children?    With SS or OS?

Yes.  And?

Choosing to practice homosexuality creates an obstacle in "getting" children, right?

As outlined previously, if practicing homosexuality makes them happy, good for them.    But, along with that, is the inability to reproduce.    Deciding "I'd like a little baby" doesn't change that.

That's true.  They can choose to adopt like heterosexual infertile couples.  Or couples who simply just want to adopt a child.

Posted by tecwrg on 7/2/2013 12:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 7/2/2013 12:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 7/2/2013 12:43:00 PM (view original):
And sure, B could indeed turn out to be straight.  I think it would suprise some people if he were, and some might wonder if it's just a case of repressed homosexuality.

My point is that he's still a kid. He probably doesn't even know if he is gay or straight.

That's the whole point of my question . . . when is he considered gay?  Is it if/when he realizes it and/or comes out, is it when he participates in his first homosexual behavior, when?  What if he represses his sexuality to "conform"?

When he finds he's attracted to people of the same sex.  

Then you can tell him that if he practices homosexuality, he will never have a family of his own.

Dumbass.

You may be surprised to learn that my personal opinions do not influence or direct public policy.

Dumbass.

Posted by burnsy483 on 7/2/2013 2:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 7/2/2013 12:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 7/2/2013 12:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 7/2/2013 12:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 7/2/2013 12:35:00 PM (view original):
Yes, homosexuals can't reproduce.  Obviously.

I guess I'm missing a point then.

Would the inability to reproduce create an obstacle in "getting" children?    With SS or OS?

Yes.  And?

Choosing to practice homosexuality creates an obstacle in "getting" children, right?

As outlined previously, if practicing homosexuality makes them happy, good for them.    But, along with that, is the inability to reproduce.    Deciding "I'd like a little baby" doesn't change that.

That's true.  They can choose to adopt like heterosexual infertile couples.  Or couples who simply just want to adopt a child.

They sure can.   But, like any other aspect of the adoption process, I think homosexuality should be a factor.    Because, as someone noted, it's about getting children into a better situation not making the adults "happy".   And, as I noted, having two dads is different and makes a child stand out.   Not sure that's the best thing for the child.

Posted by tecwrg on 7/2/2013 2:35:00 PM (view original):
Dumbass.

You may be surprised to learn that my personal opinions do not influence or direct public policy.

Dumbass.

In your opinion, he will never have a family of his own.  Am I wrong?

Posted by MikeT23 on 7/2/2013 2:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 7/2/2013 2:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 7/2/2013 12:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 7/2/2013 12:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 7/2/2013 12:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 7/2/2013 12:35:00 PM (view original):
Yes, homosexuals can't reproduce.  Obviously.

I guess I'm missing a point then.

Would the inability to reproduce create an obstacle in "getting" children?    With SS or OS?

Yes.  And?

Choosing to practice homosexuality creates an obstacle in "getting" children, right?

As outlined previously, if practicing homosexuality makes them happy, good for them.    But, along with that, is the inability to reproduce.    Deciding "I'd like a little baby" doesn't change that.

That's true.  They can choose to adopt like heterosexual infertile couples.  Or couples who simply just want to adopt a child.

They sure can.   But, like any other aspect of the adoption process, I think homosexuality should be a factor.    Because, as someone noted, it's about getting children into a better situation not making the adults "happy".   And, as I noted, having two dads is different and makes a child stand out.   Not sure that's the best thing for the child.

I'm not sure it's the worst thing in the world (or any different at all). Someone pointed out that there's many children who need good, loving families and not enough supply of them.

Posted by MikeT23 on 7/2/2013 2:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 7/2/2013 2:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 7/2/2013 12:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 7/2/2013 12:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 7/2/2013 12:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 7/2/2013 12:35:00 PM (view original):
Yes, homosexuals can't reproduce.  Obviously.

I guess I'm missing a point then.

Would the inability to reproduce create an obstacle in "getting" children?    With SS or OS?

Yes.  And?

Choosing to practice homosexuality creates an obstacle in "getting" children, right?

As outlined previously, if practicing homosexuality makes them happy, good for them.    But, along with that, is the inability to reproduce.    Deciding "I'd like a little baby" doesn't change that.

That's true.  They can choose to adopt like heterosexual infertile couples.  Or couples who simply just want to adopt a child.

They sure can.   But, like any other aspect of the adoption process, I think homosexuality should be a factor.    Because, as someone noted, it's about getting children into a better situation not making the adults "happy".   And, as I noted, having two dads is different and makes a child stand out.   Not sure that's the best thing for the child.

You know what else might make a kid stand out? Black parents. Or interracial parents. Or short parents. Or tall parents. Or ugly parents. Or fat parents. Or old parents. Or parents with ****** Long Island accents.

But we don't set public policy based on what a group of 6 year olds may or may not find ridicule worthy because they're ******* 6.

In the long run, putting a kid in a good home is well worth the rather large possibility that they will be made fun of for something. Assuming they weren't already being made fun of in foster care.

Posted by burnsy483 on 7/2/2013 3:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 7/2/2013 2:35:00 PM (view original):
Dumbass.

You may be surprised to learn that my personal opinions do not influence or direct public policy.

Dumbass.

In your opinion, he will never have a family of his own.  Am I wrong?

How do you figure that?

Posted by tecwrg on 7/2/2013 3:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 7/2/2013 3:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 7/2/2013 2:35:00 PM (view original):
Dumbass.

You may be surprised to learn that my personal opinions do not influence or direct public policy.

Dumbass.

In your opinion, he will never have a family of his own.  Am I wrong?

How do you figure that?

That fact that you're asking that points out that there is an enormous disconnect between what I've been saying and what you think I've been saying.

Or that you're a complete dumbass.

Which is it?

Posted by burnsy483 on 7/2/2013 3:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 7/2/2013 2:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 7/2/2013 2:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 7/2/2013 12:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 7/2/2013 12:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 7/2/2013 12:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 7/2/2013 12:35:00 PM (view original):
Yes, homosexuals can't reproduce.  Obviously.

I guess I'm missing a point then.

Would the inability to reproduce create an obstacle in "getting" children?    With SS or OS?

Yes.  And?

Choosing to practice homosexuality creates an obstacle in "getting" children, right?

As outlined previously, if practicing homosexuality makes them happy, good for them.    But, along with that, is the inability to reproduce.    Deciding "I'd like a little baby" doesn't change that.

That's true.  They can choose to adopt like heterosexual infertile couples.  Or couples who simply just want to adopt a child.

They sure can.   But, like any other aspect of the adoption process, I think homosexuality should be a factor.    Because, as someone noted, it's about getting children into a better situation not making the adults "happy".   And, as I noted, having two dads is different and makes a child stand out.   Not sure that's the best thing for the child.

I'm not sure it's the worst thing in the world (or any different at all). Someone pointed out that there's many children who need good, loving families and not enough supply of them.

Didn't say it was the worst thing.   Just that it's not a plus.