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MikeT23
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Can you open a casino in NC?
7/3/2013 12:45 PM
MikeT23
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Assuming, of course, you had the funds/backing?
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I don't know.
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I do.   You can't.   There are rather restrictive laws wrt gambling in the US.    But there's a Harrah's in NC.   Do you know why?
7/3/2013 12:51 PM
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I assume you now know why.   Would you be willing to admit that there's a section of society that has more rights, in like what sort of business they can open, than you do?
7/3/2013 1:10 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 7/3/2013 1:10:00 PM (view original):
I assume you now know why.   Would you be willing to admit that there's a section of society that has more rights, in like what sort of business they can open, than you do?
The tribal casinos are on reservations, which are technically sovereign land. No one is arguing that people in other countries have equal rights.
7/3/2013 1:19 PM
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Nice try though, biz.
7/3/2013 1:21 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 7/3/2013 1:10:00 PM (view original):
I assume you now know why.   Would you be willing to admit that there's a section of society that has more rights, in like what sort of business they can open, than you do?
Right, Native Americans?  I don't know the specifics of how it works, but they aren't subject to many US laws because we allow them to govern themselves.  

It doesn't really seem like the same thing. Sort of a loophole.
7/3/2013 1:24 PM
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Technically, I can't open a casino in NC. 

This is America.  I should have the RIGHT to open any legitimate business that I choose. 
7/3/2013 1:27 PM
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Posted by burnsy483 on 7/3/2013 1:24:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/3/2013 1:10:00 PM (view original):
I assume you now know why.   Would you be willing to admit that there's a section of society that has more rights, in like what sort of business they can open, than you do?
Right, Native Americans?  I don't know the specifics of how it works, but they aren't subject to many US laws because we allow them to govern themselves.  

It doesn't really seem like the same thing. Sort of a loophole.
Rights loopholes?  
7/3/2013 1:28 PM
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I guess there are states that don't consider casinos "legitimate businesses?"  And add to crime, lower property values, etc. 

I agree with you, I don't think a state should be able to ban the existance of casinos.
7/3/2013 1:33 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 7/3/2013 1:27:00 PM (view original):
Technically, I can't open a casino in NC. 

This is America.  I should have the RIGHT to open any legitimate business that I choose. 
But the reservations aren't subject to state regulation, they are sovereign land. You have a right to open a casino in a state that allows it.
7/3/2013 1:34 PM
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But they do.   My rights have not been granted. 
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Posted by MikeT23 on 7/3/2013 1:28:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 7/3/2013 1:24:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/3/2013 1:10:00 PM (view original):
I assume you now know why.   Would you be willing to admit that there's a section of society that has more rights, in like what sort of business they can open, than you do?
Right, Native Americans?  I don't know the specifics of how it works, but they aren't subject to many US laws because we allow them to govern themselves.  

It doesn't really seem like the same thing. Sort of a loophole.
Rights loopholes?  
Again, I'm not comfortable in knowing the specifics here, but if the US technically doesn't own the property of native american reservations, they can't enforce their laws either.
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Posted by burnsy483 on 7/3/2013 1:34:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/3/2013 1:28:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 7/3/2013 1:24:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/3/2013 1:10:00 PM (view original):
I assume you now know why.   Would you be willing to admit that there's a section of society that has more rights, in like what sort of business they can open, than you do?
Right, Native Americans?  I don't know the specifics of how it works, but they aren't subject to many US laws because we allow them to govern themselves.  

It doesn't really seem like the same thing. Sort of a loophole.
Rights loopholes?  
Again, I'm not comfortable in knowing the specifics here, but if the US technically doesn't own the property of native american reservations, they can't enforce their laws either.
That's the gist of it. SCOTUS ruled years ago that reservations weren't subject to any state law - taxes, gambling, etc. Since states regulate gaming (see Nevada, New Jersey), gaming laws don't apply to reservations.
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