Who would do a better job of running the USA? Topic

Posted by stinenavy on 10/3/2013 3:43:00 PM (view original):
If in 2007 when the Dems took over the House and Senate, if they refused to budge over defunding the Iraq War (which had a 33% approval), there's not a chance in hell you would blame "both sides" over a government shutdown.

Are you assuming that I was in favor of the Iraq War?

Can you tell what else I am or am not in favor of?

10/3/2013 3:50 PM
Posted by stinenavy on 10/3/2013 3:45:00 PM (view original):
So if there was a shutdown because the Dems wanted a gun control measure, you would blame both sides?
Yes.
10/3/2013 3:51 PM
FYI, I find it fascinating that anybody can seem to infer that if somebody is in favor of A, that they MUST also be in favor of B, C, D and E, and MUST also be strongly opposed to F, G, H and I.

It's like the Amazing Kreskin!
10/3/2013 3:54 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 10/3/2013 3:38:00 PM (view original):
If there were popular support for such a tax rate, as there is for the defunding of Obamacare, then yes, they would be at fault for refusing to negotiate.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/09/30/new-poll-only-one-third-of-americans-support-repealing-defunding-or-delaying-obamacare/
10/3/2013 4:05 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 10/3/2013 3:43:00 PM (view original):
No.  It's not OK to shutdown the government over gun control.  Likewise, it's also not OK to shutdown the government over Obamacare.
If it's not ok to shut down the government over Obamacare, how is anyone but the house GOP at fault here?
10/3/2013 4:07 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 10/3/2013 4:07:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 10/3/2013 3:43:00 PM (view original):
No.  It's not OK to shutdown the government over gun control.  Likewise, it's also not OK to shutdown the government over Obamacare.
If it's not ok to shut down the government over Obamacare, how is anyone but the house GOP at fault here?
The House passed a bill that would have kept the government open.  The Senate Democrats voted it down, effectively shutting down the government.  Over Obamacare.

How can you say they had no part in the shutdown?  They had an opportunity to avoid a shutdown.  They chose Obamacare over keeping the government open.

Do you really not understand that?
10/3/2013 4:48 PM
AMAZING CRESTEN
10/3/2013 4:55 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 10/3/2013 4:05:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 10/3/2013 3:38:00 PM (view original):
If there were popular support for such a tax rate, as there is for the defunding of Obamacare, then yes, they would be at fault for refusing to negotiate.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/09/30/new-poll-only-one-third-of-americans-support-repealing-defunding-or-delaying-obamacare/
From the same article: 

89% of all those polled believe that the Republicans have at least a little blame for the shutdown.
83% of all those polled believe that the Democrats have at least a little blame for the shutdown.
74% of all those polled believe that Obama has at least a little blame for the shutdown.

See?  There's a lot of blame to go around.  Not all on the GOP.

Also, 57% of all those polled believe that Obamacare will make health care more expensive.  Is that he goal of the ACA?
10/3/2013 4:56 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 10/3/2013 4:48:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 10/3/2013 4:07:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 10/3/2013 3:43:00 PM (view original):
No.  It's not OK to shutdown the government over gun control.  Likewise, it's also not OK to shutdown the government over Obamacare.
If it's not ok to shut down the government over Obamacare, how is anyone but the house GOP at fault here?
The House passed a bill that would have kept the government open.  The Senate Democrats voted it down, effectively shutting down the government.  Over Obamacare.

How can you say they had no part in the shutdown?  They had an opportunity to avoid a shutdown.  They chose Obamacare over keeping the government open.

Do you really not understand that?
You're joking, right?

Senate voted down the house bill because it would defund Obamacare. Something Democrats can't do. Just like the GOP wouldn't be able to vote a CR in with a huge tax increase. The party that puts the poison pill in the bill is the one that deserves the blame when the bill gets voted down.


10/3/2013 5:41 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 10/3/2013 4:56:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 10/3/2013 4:05:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 10/3/2013 3:38:00 PM (view original):
If there were popular support for such a tax rate, as there is for the defunding of Obamacare, then yes, they would be at fault for refusing to negotiate.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/09/30/new-poll-only-one-third-of-americans-support-repealing-defunding-or-delaying-obamacare/
From the same article: 

89% of all those polled believe that the Republicans have at least a little blame for the shutdown.
83% of all those polled believe that the Democrats have at least a little blame for the shutdown.
74% of all those polled believe that Obama has at least a little blame for the shutdown.

See?  There's a lot of blame to go around.  Not all on the GOP.

Also, 57% of all those polled believe that Obamacare will make health care more expensive.  Is that he goal of the ACA?
You've said it over and over again, people are dumb.

Just because X% of people think someone should get some blame doesn't mean that someone is actually at fault. And just because X% of people think obamacare makes health care more expensive doesn't mean obamacare actually makes health care more expensive.
10/3/2013 5:43 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 10/3/2013 5:41:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 10/3/2013 4:48:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 10/3/2013 4:07:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 10/3/2013 3:43:00 PM (view original):
No.  It's not OK to shutdown the government over gun control.  Likewise, it's also not OK to shutdown the government over Obamacare.
If it's not ok to shut down the government over Obamacare, how is anyone but the house GOP at fault here?
The House passed a bill that would have kept the government open.  The Senate Democrats voted it down, effectively shutting down the government.  Over Obamacare.

How can you say they had no part in the shutdown?  They had an opportunity to avoid a shutdown.  They chose Obamacare over keeping the government open.

Do you really not understand that?
You're joking, right?

Senate voted down the house bill because it would defund Obamacare. Something Democrats can't do. Just like the GOP wouldn't be able to vote a CR in with a huge tax increase. The party that puts the poison pill in the bill is the one that deserves the blame when the bill gets voted down.


You're the kind of mindless sheep that the political spin masters love to manipulate with their rhetoric.

"It's entirely the other sides fault".

Well done.  That's the kind of misguided blind "loyalty" that has gotten the country into the mess it's in.

Try opening your eyes and your mind for a change.
10/3/2013 7:39 PM
For the benefit of someone who considers the President and Senate Democrats to be inflexible, someone whose opinions are maybe not as well reasoned as he would like to believe them to be:



10/4/2013 3:57 AM
Negotiation:   Not "I can't do anything you want.   My way only."

10/4/2013 8:43 AM
Posted by MikeT23 on 10/4/2013 8:43:00 AM (view original):
Negotiation:   Not "I can't do anything you want.   My way only."

Turns out that mentality is really hurting the GOP in this.
10/4/2013 9:17 AM
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