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sharriger
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I called up this pitcher because of some injuries my team suffered to the rotation mid season,  http://whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=5311001  I thought he would be an average fill in at best.

Since the call up he has had 11 starts and 2 complete games, with an ERA of only 2.67, which is way better than expected since his splits are not that great. 

Is this the type of player he can truly be or is he just having some good luck the past 11 starts?
9/15/2013 8:02 PM
moethedog
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He's not as good as he's performed, certainly.  He has  a lousy vR and terrible pitches after 1 & 2.  Good thing is that he can throw a bunch of innings and has pretty good control.

His ERA should be near 5....over the long term.

9/15/2013 8:12 PM
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damag
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He's hot, that's all.  Seems to me a wide range of pitchers are capable of having a hot streak... but not necessarily likely to.

I had Keith Sodowsky a few seasons ago.  He was a career minor leaguer when I took over the franchise, his ratings show you why.  In season 26 I had to call him up to cover an injury.  Those 12 starts were eye opening.

Next season he got blasted, I dropped him and he hasn't pitched anywhere since.

Yes, Taylor's much better than that, I'm just giving an example of a guy who got real lucky for awhile.
9/15/2013 8:55 PM (edited)
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Taylor is a decent LR.   Put him at a pull of 4-5 and let him eat innings when he's "on" and get the hook when he's not.     I was thinking 1.40/4.50 when I saw him.

9/15/2013 9:10 PM
tecwrg
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Posted by moethedog on 9/15/2013 8:12:00 PM (view original):
He's not as good as he's performed, certainly.  He has  a lousy vR and terrible pitches after 1 & 2.  Good thing is that he can throw a bunch of innings and has pretty good control.

His ERA should be near 5....over the long term.

48 is not a "terrible" pitch.  It's mediocre as a P3 but pretty darn good for a P5.
9/15/2013 9:53 PM
moethedog
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tec, it's not very good.

I just checked out my 12-man staff.  Two relievers have just two pitches (70-80 & 85-71), everybody else has at least a 3rd pitch.  Listed below are the 3rd (and 4th) pitch of the other 10 guys.

Starter:  56-81
Starter:  64
Starter:  67-52
Starter:  65-51
Starter:  55
RP:        40 (but his 1st two pitches are 90-78.  Career ERA of 4.63)
RP:        51 (1st two pitches are 81-75.  He's a LOOGY)
RP:        59 (1st two pitches are 91-72)
RP:        51-54
RP:        39-53 (Career ERA of 4.67)

I have two guys with a 3rd pitch of less than 48.  One guy has a 1st pitch of 90 vL/vR  of 63/78.  The other guy has got into 1 game for 1 innings (28 team games) this year.  Taylor has a big ugly 4th pitch, too.  48 isn't a very good 3rd pitch. Terrible is probably the right word, especially considering his 4thpitch and he has no special 1st or 2nd. 
9/15/2013 10:31 PM
crickett13
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He will  post about a 1.50 whip over the long term. Anybody can get lucky.
9/15/2013 10:57 PM
sharriger
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I was expecting about a 4.50 ERA to be honest just still fairly new to the game still not sure if I was missing something.  Appreciate the feedback
9/15/2013 11:37 PM
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Posted by moethedog on 9/15/2013 10:31:00 PM (view original):
tec, it's not very good.

I just checked out my 12-man staff.  Two relievers have just two pitches (70-80 & 85-71), everybody else has at least a 3rd pitch.  Listed below are the 3rd (and 4th) pitch of the other 10 guys.

Starter:  56-81
Starter:  64
Starter:  67-52
Starter:  65-51
Starter:  55
RP:        40 (but his 1st two pitches are 90-78.  Career ERA of 4.63)
RP:        51 (1st two pitches are 81-75.  He's a LOOGY)
RP:        59 (1st two pitches are 91-72)
RP:        51-54
RP:        39-53 (Career ERA of 4.67)

I have two guys with a 3rd pitch of less than 48.  One guy has a 1st pitch of 90 vL/vR  of 63/78.  The other guy has got into 1 game for 1 innings (28 team games) this year.  Taylor has a big ugly 4th pitch, too.  48 isn't a very good 3rd pitch. Terrible is probably the right word, especially considering his 4thpitch and he has no special 1st or 2nd. 
He said it's pretty darn good for a 5th pitch.

Look for guys with 5 pitches to compare with, not 3 &4 pitch guys.

Chances are the best of them are going to have P5 in the 50s. 

There is always the occasional outlier whose 5 pitches are like 78-69-45-31-70, but in general 50+ is not common for a 5th pitch.
9/16/2013 12:08 AM
tecwrg
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What mchale said.

And again . . . even as a P3, 48 is not "terrible".  28 would be terrible for a P3.  48 is mediocre for a P3. 

Mediocre > terrible.
9/16/2013 8:39 AM
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