Posted by cougdawg on 5/7/2015 10:29:00 PM (view original):
All good discussion points but the only thing that bothers me is that there was no "heads-up" to everyone on so drastic a change.  So folks could formulate a strategy and prepare.  Adv scouting was useless and now it may become important.  It remains to be seen how drastically it effects the game.   I'm not against the change.  But I think its pretty nasty to just drop it on the community without any warning.

Posted by joshkvt on 5/7/2015 8:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by rhyno026 on 5/7/2015 7:48:00 PM (view original):
My two cents: I hate the proposed changes to the amateur draft system. When a professional team scouts a player they gain a firm understanding of the players current skill level. For us to scout and not be able to see current ratings is unrealistic. When I finish playing through the seasons I've already purchased I don't believe I'll be purchasing more.

Comparing this to RL doesn't work. Professional teams' scouts are wrong about players' current ability all the time. Because this is a game based on ratings as opposed to RL skills, a player's current rating is accurate. A scout's take on how an LSU junior hits a curveball is not always accurate, and less likely to be accurate for a HS power hitter. There are first-round picks who never get out of A ball; that would never happen if RL teams always have a firm understanding of current skill level. It's more unrealistic that as the game works now we all see the same, 100% accurate current ratings.

The purpose of the change is not to mirror real life but to introduce ways to make ADV important. Getting rid of current ratings for other teams' players accomplishes that to some degree.

Everyone complaining about "not enough warning" or "only being able to adjust 4m at a time" needs to look at their league's budget.    You're probably starting at the same point as everyone else in your world.   I checked my worlds and we are.   I checked journeyfans world, because he was the first to complain, and he is too. 

NO ONE IS AT A DISADVANTAGE.

Posted by rhyno026 on 5/8/2015 2:14:00 AM (view original):

Posted by joshkvt on 5/7/2015 8:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by rhyno026 on 5/7/2015 7:48:00 PM (view original):
My two cents: I hate the proposed changes to the amateur draft system. When a professional team scouts a player they gain a firm understanding of the players current skill level. For us to scout and not be able to see current ratings is unrealistic. When I finish playing through the seasons I've already purchased I don't believe I'll be purchasing more.

Comparing this to RL doesn't work. Professional teams' scouts are wrong about players' current ability all the time. Because this is a game based on ratings as opposed to RL skills, a player's current rating is accurate. A scout's take on how an LSU junior hits a curveball is not always accurate, and less likely to be accurate for a HS power hitter. There are first-round picks who never get out of A ball; that would never happen if RL teams always have a firm understanding of current skill level. It's more unrealistic that as the game works now we all see the same, 100% accurate current ratings.

The purpose of the change is not to mirror real life but to introduce ways to make ADV important. Getting rid of current ratings for other teams' players accomplishes that to some degree.

I'd argue that professional scouts are very rarely wrong about a player's current skill level, unless of course they're somewhat inept at their job. Either a player can presently range to his left or he can't, he can hit a curve or he can't, he can frame a pitch or he can't... these are things a trained eye can see. Good scouts aren't going to evaluate these types of things incorrectly. They may however mistakenly misjudge a player's potential to learn and improve, which more often than not is when you see a 1st round pick fail to ascend above A ball.

That's why not being able to view any type of current rating is unrealistic. If the goal is to eliminate the predictability of prospect development, change the development patterns and "fuzzy" up the projections. That stuff doesn't bother me because it still somewhat mirrors real life. Sacrificing realism (things a scout could see from the stands) in an effort to make advance scouting more "important" seems a bit excessive, and will cheapen the game for me at least.

I realize some folks aren't going to share the same opinion, and that's fine. I just figured I'd have my voice be heard.

Posted by mchales_army on 5/7/2015 7:05:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by rwings1927 on 5/7/2015 6:03:00 PM (view original):
My feelings are if they're going to try and coerce you into putting more money into scouting then they should include fixing the injury issue's so we don't have to keep dumping 20M into training and medical and free up some budget space.

No one is forced to put $ into training or medical.   There are a lot of 0 medical owners out there.    Not so many 0 training because it affects development.

True but if they're making the $ put into scouting more indicative of a players numbers then the same should be done to medical, it's ridiculous to have a 90 health player get long term injuries in back to back seasons while a 20 health player can go years without a scratch.

But that's how life works.  Jason Kendall was one of the most durable C in baseball until he broke his leg running to first.

I agree with this 100%. Injuries are a crapshoot, because that's how they are in real life.

Personally I think a health rating is silly anyway. What's it supposed to be based on in RL? The guy has great MU and your running a 20/20 Training/Medical but the guy has a 35 health and it never improves?

What is he eating Whoppers 3 times a day and smoking a pack of Camels in the dugout?

1. There will be fewer vet-for-prospect trades pre-season, and more of those toward the trading deadline when there is at least a hint of progression of other teams' players.
2. It may be more difficult to get new owners to take teams laden with prospects - you won't be able to see projections nor history of progression among those prospects. That may prove to be a big downside.