Anyway, this is possibly the most ridiculous complaints over updates since the beginning of HBD.

It's like a 63 y/o who gets in a car accident and sues for 10m because he's been told he'll never dance again.   Except he never danced in the first place.

This is all ******** and moaning about things the bitchers and moaners have never done.   "I was thinking about it" isn't a good enough reason to give you whatever the hell you want.   If you've done it and it removes a key element of your gameplay, it's worth discussing.   If you've never done it, no one should care.  

Plain *** ridiculousness.

As I said, after about page 20, it just became a ******* match.

On page 2 it became a cryfest about strategies that were never used but would somewhat be taken of the board with the updates.

Silliness.

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Posted by crickett13 on 5/8/2015 1:04:00 PM (view original):
I don't agree at all. If there is one ring to rule them all everyone will want it. If adv suddenly becomes the single most important budget item because it is the only budget item that affects 3 other budget items then you are being forced to either 0 out everything, after all why scout col, hs or int if you wont see decent ratings anyway, or max out adv.

I'm not bothering to check another owner but do you have any IFA, HS or College budget that is not 0 or 20?

If you do, your argument has no merit.    If you don't, I'll have to confirm before continuing on with you.

LOL that's complete crap Mike. What I am saying is simple. I have no incentive to stay in a league where I will have a penalty when I can leave and join another league where I have an advantage. I use 0 because it gives me an advantage.

Other than you like your league, that is.

Please move to different worlds.   I don't think your type will be missed.

"BOOHOOHOO!!!!  I CAN'T ADJUST MY BUDGET TO 14M IMMEDIATELY!!!!  I'M TAKING MY BALL AND GOING TO ANOTHER WORLD WHERE I CAN!!!!!!"


It's that simple.

You know Mike is wrong when he starts this garbage.

has there ever been any consideration towards firing coaches mid season? plenty of very good coaches go un-hired based on salary demands etc...and i get ticked when i cheap it out & my hitters under perform and i want to do a do-over lol

Posted by esf0242 on 5/8/2015 10:33:00 PM (view original):
has there ever been any consideration towards firing coaches mid season? plenty of very good coaches go un-hired based on salary demands etc...and i get ticked when i cheap it out & my hitters under perform and i want to do a do-over lol

Yes, of course. But if you can fire assistant coaches mid-season, can ownership also fire you mid-season?

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/8/2015 1:17:00 PM (view original):
Anyway, let's say the sky is actually falling.   You and crickett(and hundreds of others) dump their teams and take new ones so they can reset the budgets.   Worlds that have had trouble filling will be full.   Good for them and good for you.    It all came out in the wash as the worlds/teams you left behind probably weren't that good.   Otherwise, you don't dump them.

Mike, I am not even considering quitting my team because of this change. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill. Just because I think something is better for the game does not mean I am going to follow some drastic path.

You can look at my history, my advanced scouting is zero because I rarely  make trades, in 17 seasons I have made I think 2 trades. If I don't make trades why would I  put money into advanced scouting?   I am not trying to take advantage of some loophole in the game, its just advanced scouting has no purpose for me in how I play the game. What I do in this game is I draft players, sign free agents, and I go after International free agents. That is where I concentrate my dollars for budgeting, currently advanced scouting does nothing for me so I put nothing into advanced scouting.

Now if WIS changes the game to where advanced scouting goes from having zero factor in signing free agents, evaluating prospects in college, high school, and international free agents to being the most important factor then I think a logical and fair change would be too allow a reset of budgets. Your not only making a drastic chang, when it comes to this one aspect of the game, your taking a skill that currently has zero relevance and making it 100 relevance.

You ******* are still talking about all this?

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Posted by esf0242 on 5/8/2015 10:33:00 PM (view original):
has there ever been any consideration towards firing coaches mid season? plenty of very good coaches go un-hired based on salary demands etc...and i get ticked when i cheap it out & my hitters under perform and i want to do a do-over lol

Yes, of course. But if you can fire assistant coaches mid-season, can ownership also fire you mid-season?

but you are ownership....Jerry Jones not firing himself from the Cowboys - that doesn't make sense

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Posted by esf0242 on 5/8/2015 10:33:00 PM (view original):
has there ever been any consideration towards firing coaches mid season? plenty of very good coaches go un-hired based on salary demands etc...and i get ticked when i cheap it out & my hitters under perform and i want to do a do-over lol

Yes, of course. But if you can fire assistant coaches mid-season, can ownership also fire you mid-season?

but you are ownership....Jerry Jones not firing himself from the Cowboys - that doesn't make sense

I think we're supposed to be general managers. We get messages for the team owner 4-5 times per season (to alert us of type A free agents, the draft, etc.), so that can't be us.

As for Jerry Jones firing himself, he's a lunatic, so that wouldn't surprise me.

Okay, so the changes with * only affect a team after the world it is in rolls to next season?  Am I correct on this?

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Posted by esf0242 on 5/8/2015 10:33:00 PM (view original):
has there ever been any consideration towards firing coaches mid season? plenty of very good coaches go un-hired based on salary demands etc...and i get ticked when i cheap it out & my hitters under perform and i want to do a do-over lol

Yes, of course. But if you can fire assistant coaches mid-season, can ownership also fire you mid-season?

but you are ownership....Jerry Jones not firing himself from the Cowboys - that doesn't make sense

I think we're supposed to be general managers. We get messages for the team owner 4-5 times per season (to alert us of type A free agents, the draft, etc.), so that can't be us.

As for Jerry Jones firing himself, he's a lunatic, so that wouldn't surprise me.

i get it, but c'mon......i BOUGHT the team

Posted by KSBeachBums on 5/8/2015 11:48:00 PM (view original):
Okay, so the changes with * only affect a team after the world it is in rolls to next season?  Am I correct on this?

So long as they roll AFTER the 26th. 

Any world that rolls and starts their new season before that date will not be affected until the following season.

At least that's how I read it.

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Posted by rhyno026 on 5/7/2015 7:48:00 PM (view original):
My two cents: I hate the proposed changes to the amateur draft system. When a professional team scouts a player they gain a firm understanding of the players current skill level. For us to scout and not be able to see current ratings is unrealistic. When I finish playing through the seasons I've already purchased I don't believe I'll be purchasing more.

Comparing this to RL doesn't work. Professional teams' scouts are wrong about players' current ability all the time. Because this is a game based on ratings as opposed to RL skills, a player's current rating is accurate. A scout's take on how an LSU junior hits a curveball is not always accurate, and less likely to be accurate for a HS power hitter. There are first-round picks who never get out of A ball; that would never happen if RL teams always have a firm understanding of current skill level. It's more unrealistic that as the game works now we all see the same, 100% accurate current ratings.

The purpose of the change is not to mirror real life but to introduce ways to make ADV important. Getting rid of current ratings for other teams' players accomplishes that to some degree.

I'd argue that professional scouts are very rarely wrong about a player's current skill level, unless of course they're somewhat inept at their job. Either a player can presently range to his left or he can't, he can hit a curve or he can't, he can frame a pitch or he can't... these are things a trained eye can see. Good scouts aren't going to evaluate these types of things incorrectly. They may however mistakenly misjudge a player's potential to learn and improve, which more often than not is when you see a 1st round pick fail to ascend above A ball.

That's why not being able to view any type of current rating is unrealistic. If the goal is to eliminate the predictability of prospect development, change the development patterns and "fuzzy" up the projections. That stuff doesn't bother me because it still somewhat mirrors real life. Sacrificing realism (things a scout could see from the stands) in an effort to make advance scouting more "important" seems a bit excessive, and will cheapen the game for me at least.

I realize some folks aren't going to share the same opinion, and that's fine. I just figured I'd have my voice be heard.

I assume you'd be unhappy if a HBD HS player's "current" reflected what they'd be at the BL level.    Essentially, you take a good HS prospect and put him on the mound or at the plate.    Almost all get destroyed in real life.     So every HS split/contact/eye would be in the 20s/30s as those are "learned" skills.    Would that be helpful?  I don't think so.

You should never assume because it's true what they say...

At any rate, this is precisely the one aspect I strongly want them to keep. For the sake of argument let's say we're looking at a LH hitting 23 year old SS prospect with a current contact rating of 60, a left split of 35, a right split of 68 and an eye of 60. Let's say his defensive ratings are also decently strong, if not a bit below average at this point. Now no one knows in real life how a player is going to progress, and I don't have a problem if the game designers want to make it harder to decipher that on here. At this very moment though if I could use a 2B on my big league club I can look at this guy and ascertain that he'd at least be capable of holding down the job defensively, but I'll see some struggles from him against LH pitching. Is that helpful? Plenty.

If I spend 20 million in college scouting and can only see a bunch of "fuzzy" projections I have no way of knowing if the guy's going to be any help now. My scout might have been "watching him", and he came back to me with all these nifty projections, but somehow he couldn't tell me if the kid could make contact now? Is that realistic? No. Is that helpful? No.

There's so much on file that virtually nothing can go unchecked.

So I thought "Maybe rhyno drafts/signs players and puts them straight to the bigs."    I check your rosters and the fastest to the bigs had 3 minor league seasons.  So the main point of your post is not something you do. 

You aren't drafting anyone to help you now.    You're hoping to game the system, as all of us have, by seeing who's the closest to "helping now" and taking a shot while using very little in scouting.   Not being critical, I've done it plenty of times, but pointing out the reasoning you're using is dishonest.

The majority of my selections have also been in the latter half of the first round, where as you know it's not always as easy to find quality players with big league level currents. I have taken IFA's to the big leagues in as little as a half a season, however. At any rate, it would be nice to have the information available to make such a move if I have a high selection.

I actually don't even hate the update as a whole though, just parts. Popular opinion seems to be for the changes however, so it's whatever. Come what may you can't stop a rising sun.

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has there ever been any consideration towards firing coaches mid season? plenty of very good coaches go un-hired based on salary demands etc...and i get ticked when i cheap it out & my hitters under perform and i want to do a do-over lol

Yes, of course. But if you can fire assistant coaches mid-season, can ownership also fire you mid-season?

but you are ownership....Jerry Jones not firing himself from the Cowboys - that doesn't make sense

I think we're supposed to be general managers. We get messages for the team owner 4-5 times per season (to alert us of type A free agents, the draft, etc.), so that can't be us.

As for Jerry Jones firing himself, he's a lunatic, so that wouldn't surprise me.

i get it, but c'mon......i BOUGHT the team

For $25.