Posted by willsauve on 5/9/2015 4:10:00 PM (view original):
We're not all starting from the same spot for example my team in smoltz has 0 ADV but Ill be drafting at the end of the draft and I won't be affected.. Now a team with 0 ADV that has a crappy team and a #1 pick will be affected greatly... In most cases a team with a low pick is already in pretty bad shape to begin with and the changes as stated will have more of a negative affect on a team in bad shape than one who is already at the top...

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/9/2015 4:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cbriese on 5/9/2015 4:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/9/2015 3:57:00 PM (view original):
The only real question that needs to be answered is "What projections, specifically, will ADV determine?"

Mike, I am not sure I understand why you believe ADV will be used for anything more than projecting a player after he has signed. My guess is that they will simply make ADV less accurate (than now) at the low end and more accurate at the high end. Though overall progress will still be governed somewhat by coaching, promotions, training, and playing time, so your mileage may still vary. Oh, and that progression may no longer be linear, for what that's worth.

I've stated several times why.    I started a thread in the Suggestions Forum in 2012 with 3 items I felt needed to be fixed.    That is probably the only thread in the SF where no one said "Horrible idea".    And it looks, to me, that it was foundation of these changes.    My suggestion was that ADV determine projections for non-rostered players.    I could be COMPLETELY off base.

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/9/2015 4:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/9/2015 4:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cbriese on 5/9/2015 4:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/9/2015 3:57:00 PM (view original):
The only real question that needs to be answered is "What projections, specifically, will ADV determine?"

Mike, I am not sure I understand why you believe ADV will be used for anything more than projecting a player after he has signed. My guess is that they will simply make ADV less accurate (than now) at the low end and more accurate at the high end. Though overall progress will still be governed somewhat by coaching, promotions, training, and playing time, so your mileage may still vary. Oh, and that progression may no longer be linear, for what that's worth.

I've stated several times why.    I started a thread in the Suggestions Forum in 2012 with 3 items I felt needed to be fixed.    That is probably the only thread in the SF where no one said "Horrible idea".    And it looks, to me, that it was foundation of these changes.    My suggestion was that ADV determine projections for non-rostered players.    I could be COMPLETELY off base.

I should add that an ADV change that only determines projections for rostered players won't change much.    It certainly won't make owners rush to 20m.

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/9/2015 4:18:00 PM (view original):
That said, they dropped the update almost three weeks in advance.   To me, that means 1 of 2 things:

1.  It's a major change and they want users to be as prepared as possible.
2.  It's a major change and they want the opportunity to scale it back based on the reactions of the users.

I don't think we get anything more than "We're doing an update on 5/26.   HBD will be down between 9-6 EST.   Schedules will be rolled back 24 hours" if it's a minor change.

Posted by cbriese on 5/9/2015 4:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/9/2015 4:18:00 PM (view original):
That said, they dropped the update almost three weeks in advance.   To me, that means 1 of 2 things:

1.  It's a major change and they want users to be as prepared as possible.
2.  It's a major change and they want the opportunity to scale it back based on the reactions of the users.

I don't think we get anything more than "We're doing an update on 5/26.   HBD will be down between 9-6 EST.   Schedules will be rolled back 24 hours" if it's a minor change.

Since it will only apply to teams after a rollover I seriously doubt there will be any downtime or cycles missed.

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/9/2015 4:23:00 PM (view original):
I'm saying I think the updates were somewhat pulled from this:

2.  Advance scouting.   Savvy owners don't really need it.    Again, this creates a disparity between those who know and those who don't.  Change ADV to show projections for players NOT on a BL roster.   This would include HS, college, IFA and free agents.    The higher the ADV, the more accurate the projection.    HS/College/IFA budgets will determine how many players you see but will not tell you the quality of them.    IFA demands will need to be standardized(100k is a good starting point) so owners with low ADV won't be tipped off as to their quality.   Players on rosters can have projections based on ADV as it stands now.

3.  Player development.  I'd say it's pretty standard for almost all players.   Owners can make a small difference in maximizing(or completely wreck them) development but a good owner develops players in a pretty standard manner.   Provide some diversity.   At least three different patterns.    Have some develop early and max out 2-3 seasons into their careers(18, 6, 1, 0, 0 OVR).  Have some develop slowly and be late bloomers(3, 2, 2, 10, 8).   And keep some the same(11, 7, 4, 2, 1).    The more patterns the better but we need more than one.  

Savvy owners can look at a 2nd/3rd year player they're considering in trade and say "This is what he's going to be" with pretty high accuracy.