Posted by moranis on 2/28/2012 3:21:00 PM (view original):
They are 20-14 because they have a well constructed roster that is very young and have a lot of depth (10 man rotation of all at least 15 minutes a game).  I mean seriously Scola at 31, Dalembert at 30, and Martin at 28 are the only people on the team older than 26.  I don't think they are a deep playoff team though, as they don't have that premier player, which is where a guy like Gasol would help, but not if they have to give up Lowry and maybe even Martin to get him. 

lol of course you give up kevin martin to get pau, it's like a hyper mega extreme upgrade.

Posted by deanod on 2/28/2012 3:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moranis on 2/28/2012 3:21:00 PM (view original):
They are 20-14 because they have a well constructed roster that is very young and have a lot of depth (10 man rotation of all at least 15 minutes a game).  I mean seriously Scola at 31, Dalembert at 30, and Martin at 28 are the only people on the team older than 26.  I don't think they are a deep playoff team though, as they don't have that premier player, which is where a guy like Gasol would help, but not if they have to give up Lowry and maybe even Martin to get him. 

lol of course you give up kevin martin to get pau, it's like a hyper mega extreme upgrade.

This year, absolutely, next year maybe, after that I'm not so sure.  Pau's numbers are down this year (totals and efficiency).  I mean he is at the lowest PPG in his career and his worst shooting since his third year, though his rebounding numbers are steady.  Maybe it is just the lockout and all the drama with the rumors, but maybe he is starting to regress (he is approaching the typical age and given his many summers of international ball has a lot of miles on those legs).  It also wouldn't be just Martin as others would have to be included to make the dollars work.  If it was just Scola and Martin, I'd probably do it, but LA isn't making that trade unless they find a third team to send Martin to and they get a PG back from that team. 

Kevin Martin will never, ever be half the basketball player that Pau is.  He's having a bigger lockout dropoff  and he turns 29 next year, whoever gives him a LT deal following next season won't be getting happy returns.

Trading Martin + Scola for Pau is a bigger rape than the first Pau trade was, which is why Morey also added Dragic + pick and everyone still lol'd at the Hornets and Stern rightfully squashed the deal.

I wouldnt take Pau's fg% and slightly lower ppg too much to heart moranis - he's in a new offense and being forced to share the low block with Bynum getting more touches and he's taking more jumpers than he has in the past - it's by design and not his fault

Ok, any chance the Celts could get Gortat and Nash for Rondo, JON's corpse, and a couple of #1s?

I doubt it, Phoenix seems to be disinterested in trading Nash and obviously the Celtics get the much better end of that deal.

I think we'd be looking at stuff along the lines of

Rondo + Bass for Pau
Rondo for Brandon Jennings
Rondo for Felton + Batum
Rondo for Millsap
etc

you should get together with the lakers and figure out how to pry Devin Harris out of Utah and send him to LA as part of that last deal

Posted by deanod on 3/1/2012 7:47:00 PM (view original):
I doubt it, Phoenix seems to be disinterested in trading Nash and obviously the Celtics get the much better end of that deal.

I think we'd be looking at stuff along the lines of

Rondo + Bass for Pau
Rondo for Brandon Jennings
Rondo for Felton + Batum
Rondo for Millsap
etc

Then maybe they have to get crazy....

Rondo, KG, JON, and picks for Nash, Gortat, Warrick, Frye, and Childress?

Phoenix gets rid of all their bad contracts and the Celts can make one last run before turning to the lottery for a few seasons.

That's a terrible trade for Boston

Any shot of contending this year is obliterated by sending KG out in that deal, and we lose all of our future assets + cap room.  I like Gortat and all, but he's not going to look this good on offense in life after Nash.  So heading into next season we have:

-No draft picks
-13M less cap room
-2 years of Gortat vs 3 years of Rondo

That's a pretty hefty price to pay for a small upgrade to the team right now.  And I'm not even sure that Phoenix does that- they have plenty of cap room as is and probably aren't going to sign any marquee free agents, it's not like they are going to value dumping those deals too much imo.

Celtics need to keep it simple, either trade Rondo in a deal that improves their future outlook, trade him in a deal that helps them now without hurting their future (i.e. Pau), or don't trade him at all.

We're just not in a position to expunge all of our future assets to shake up the team this year, we're so so far from contending it would just be ill advised.

this is the summer you blow it up - do a little thing or blow it up early

Posted by felonius on 3/1/2012 10:51:00 PM (view original):
this is the summer you blow it up - do a little thing or blow it up early

I tend to agree that this team seems to be a bit more suited for a summer overhaul.  We just need to take advantage of the deadline if a team really wants to have Pierce/Ray/Rondo during the stretch (and I don't think there's anybody there willing to give up their left nut for any one of them).

I'm really hoping the Kings land a pick in the 3-5 range and are willing to trade it for Rondo in the draft (they're on his dick)- I think that would be the summer trade that would really help.

Posted by deanod on 3/1/2012 9:39:00 PM (view original):
That's a terrible trade for Boston

Any shot of contending this year is obliterated by sending KG out in that deal, and we lose all of our future assets + cap room.  I like Gortat and all, but he's not going to look this good on offense in life after Nash.  So heading into next season we have:

-No draft picks
-13M less cap room
-2 years of Gortat vs 3 years of Rondo

That's a pretty hefty price to pay for a small upgrade to the team right now.  And I'm not even sure that Phoenix does that- they have plenty of cap room as is and probably aren't going to sign any marquee free agents, it's not like they are going to value dumping those deals too much imo.

Ok, so maybe leave out the draft picks.

I think the team is in better shape to make a run in the playoffs with Nash, Allen, Pierce, Bass/Frye/Warrick/Whatever, and Gortat than what they have now. 

This summer?  Nash would leave, they let Allen walk, trade Pierce and Gortat, and enjoy 2-3 seasons of lottery picks.   If they have a good run, maybe Nash resigns and they try it again one more time.

Phoenix would do the deal because they are basically trading Gortat for Rondo and getting rid of some bad contracts.  I know they aren't worried about getting under the cap, but it's always about money with Phoenix. 

I know none of this will happen, but I think it's an interesting idea.

We'd be the Suns with Pierce + Allen instead of Dudley + Hill.  It would marginally improve our odds, but not by a large enough margin to be worth it.  Any deal that entails a run this year needs to keep Pierce, Ray, and KG in Boston imo.

Posted by felonius on 3/1/2012 8:29:00 PM (view original):
you should get together with the lakers and figure out how to pry Devin Harris out of Utah and send him to LA as part of that last deal

No real incentive for Boston to include L.A., though I suppose they could probably take both the Lakers picks this summer.