Posted by moranis on 3/7/2012 12:26:00 PM (view original):

Posted by deanod on 3/7/2012 11:50:00 AM (view original):
Yeah sure Pau's on the decline but I'd still take him at ages 31-34 over Rondo at ages 25-28.  I do not not not want to re-sign Rondo for ages 29-33, he's going to age very poorly and will be nowhere near worth what he's making now- some dumb team is going to pay him for what he did from 24-28 instead of what he will do and thankfully I'm confident it won't be Ainge who makes that mistake.

And no, it obviously doesn't make us faves but it does make us a threat vs anyone.  And it's not that hard to just add a vet like Jamal Crawford to help pad the loss of Rondo on the decline.

Rondo has had some big games in the playoffs, but other than the Cleveland series in 2010 which was sick, sick, sick  I don't think he's been better than he normally is in the regular season.  He goes into triple double mode but also sees a pretty sizeable drop in his shooting %'s against quality D's (career 51.6 TS in the reg season 48.2 in the playoffs).

Rondo is all 1st team defense but that's based on a reputation that he no longer really plays up to.  Kyle Lowry really should have been the 1st team all defense selection last year.

I think any Gasol for Rondo trade will look something like this.

Gasol, Blake

for

Rondo, Bass, O'neal

Thus the Celtics would end up with Blake for about 24 minutes a game at the point and they could probably get by with Blake and Bradley, though could probably land someone like Sessions for one of the firsts if it was really a problem.  The reality is, a PG isn't really all that critical to winning a title.  Aside from Magic, Isiah, and Cousy none of the all time greats at the position won a title in their prime.  Heck rarely does a PG make an all star team and win (or even make) the finals in that season (at least anymore).  Now it appears it may be shifting slightly with players like Rose, Westbrook, Paul, etc., being on teams that could get to the finals, but the odds on favorites don't exactly have a great PG, last years winner had an ancient HOFer at the position, so perhaps the trend isn't even changing.

Posted by AlCheez on 3/7/2012 12:32:00 PM (view original):
I'm guessing if anyone on that list was the 4th best player on their team, they'd have been to a few Finals by now...

Posted by deanod on 3/7/2012 12:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moranis on 3/7/2012 12:26:00 PM (view original):

Posted by deanod on 3/7/2012 11:50:00 AM (view original):
Yeah sure Pau's on the decline but I'd still take him at ages 31-34 over Rondo at ages 25-28.  I do not not not want to re-sign Rondo for ages 29-33, he's going to age very poorly and will be nowhere near worth what he's making now- some dumb team is going to pay him for what he did from 24-28 instead of what he will do and thankfully I'm confident it won't be Ainge who makes that mistake.

And no, it obviously doesn't make us faves but it does make us a threat vs anyone.  And it's not that hard to just add a vet like Jamal Crawford to help pad the loss of Rondo on the decline.

Rondo has had some big games in the playoffs, but other than the Cleveland series in 2010 which was sick, sick, sick  I don't think he's been better than he normally is in the regular season.  He goes into triple double mode but also sees a pretty sizeable drop in his shooting %'s against quality D's (career 51.6 TS in the reg season 48.2 in the playoffs).

Rondo is all 1st team defense but that's based on a reputation that he no longer really plays up to.  Kyle Lowry really should have been the 1st team all defense selection last year.

I think any Gasol for Rondo trade will look something like this.

Gasol, Blake

for

Rondo, Bass, O'neal

Thus the Celtics would end up with Blake for about 24 minutes a game at the point and they could probably get by with Blake and Bradley, though could probably land someone like Sessions for one of the firsts if it was really a problem.  The reality is, a PG isn't really all that critical to winning a title.  Aside from Magic, Isiah, and Cousy none of the all time greats at the position won a title in their prime.  Heck rarely does a PG make an all star team and win (or even make) the finals in that season (at least anymore).  Now it appears it may be shifting slightly with players like Rose, Westbrook, Paul, etc., being on teams that could get to the finals, but the odds on favorites don't exactly have a great PG, last years winner had an ancient HOFer at the position, so perhaps the trend isn't even changing.

or we could just let the lakers keep blake and his retarded LT deal and flip JO+ for another PG who's not god awful.

Posted by deanod on 3/7/2012 2:51:00 PM (view original):
I'm sure they do, but I'd rather live in a world where that's not part of a Pau deal.  Lakers have plenty of scrill anyway, they'll get over having Blake on the books.  OTOH the Celtics probably prefer not to take the $4M hit on their cap next year.

eh, Gasol cuts into a good chunk of it but when you have a roster of just Pierce/Gasol/young guys, the difference between $14M and $10M is pretty substantial.  They'd need to stretch it as far as they can, and taking on Blake cuts pretty heavily into the appeal of such a move.

Posted by deanod on 3/7/2012 4:05:00 PM (view original):

eh, Gasol cuts into a good chunk of it but when you have a roster of just Pierce/Gasol/young guys, the difference between $14M and $10M is pretty substantial.  They'd need to stretch it as far as they can, and taking on Blake cuts pretty heavily into the appeal of such a move.