Posted by felonius on 7/26/2012 12:02:00 PM (view original):
hey and while we're on the subject is 2 times 12 more or less than 1 times 10? and would you rather live in Brooklyn or Cleveland?

that's what I thought

Posted by moranis on 7/26/2012 9:46:00 AM (view original):

Posted by badja on 7/22/2012 2:31:00 PM (view original):
The problem with basketball is that you can't outcoach pure talent and raw physical ability/stats.  The Patriots can plug in any decent players and get to the playoffs.  An NFL team can have some freaks on the roster and be a bad team.

No NBA team will go anywhere without a couple of future HOF'ers on the squad.  Guys that are impossible to stop.  There are just not that many guys alive who fit that mold.   The ones around leave college so early they take years to develop.  There is no way to "protect" bball players from injury.  Think about how many miles these guys run on the hardcourt by age 25.  7 foot tall guys who were not designed to run in the first place!  Again, there are just not many humans that can play this game at that level for 20 years (13-33ish).  They can't just go stand in right field or first base for their entire career!

30 teams is way too many.  Think of the good players on the Cavs, Kings, Warriors going to other teams.

Take a look the playoff rosters for 1985.  Absolutely stacked teams. 

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/1985.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/1985.html

Those are the 8th seeds.  Those teams are terrible and I would be stunned if either would have made the playoffs last season. 

Even the Bucks who were a very strong team throughout the 80's and who were the second seed in the east in 85 winning 59 games, have no HOF players on their roster.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIL/1985.html


I think your view of the 80's is skewed because you remembered it as awesome when you were growing up but in reality that view is skewed and warped and doesn't reflect reality. 

Posted by moranis on 7/26/2012 12:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by felonius on 7/26/2012 12:02:00 PM (view original):
hey and while we're on the subject is 2 times 12 more or less than 1 times 10? and would you rather live in Brooklyn or Cleveland?

that's what I thought

yeah he cashed in by holding NJ's balls over the fire.  Pretty good deal for him, but he is going to be traded (which is why he was given the contract he was given). 

Posted by badja on 7/26/2012 7:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moranis on 7/26/2012 9:46:00 AM (view original):

Posted by badja on 7/22/2012 2:31:00 PM (view original):
The problem with basketball is that you can't outcoach pure talent and raw physical ability/stats.  The Patriots can plug in any decent players and get to the playoffs.  An NFL team can have some freaks on the roster and be a bad team.

No NBA team will go anywhere without a couple of future HOF'ers on the squad.  Guys that are impossible to stop.  There are just not that many guys alive who fit that mold.   The ones around leave college so early they take years to develop.  There is no way to "protect" bball players from injury.  Think about how many miles these guys run on the hardcourt by age 25.  7 foot tall guys who were not designed to run in the first place!  Again, there are just not many humans that can play this game at that level for 20 years (13-33ish).  They can't just go stand in right field or first base for their entire career!

30 teams is way too many.  Think of the good players on the Cavs, Kings, Warriors going to other teams.

Take a look the playoff rosters for 1985.  Absolutely stacked teams. 

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/1985.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/1985.html

Those are the 8th seeds.  Those teams are terrible and I would be stunned if either would have made the playoffs last season. 

Even the Bucks who were a very strong team throughout the 80's and who were the second seed in the east in 85 winning 59 games, have no HOF players on their roster.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIL/1985.html


I think your view of the 80's is skewed because you remembered it as awesome when you were growing up but in reality that view is skewed and warped and doesn't reflect reality. 

Well, we should start at the top, Lakers, Celts.  The 2 best teams ever.  Or is that a "skewed and warped reality"??!!  

Then we have Philly and Houston either of which would be a tough matchup for any of last year's teams.

Milwaukee would likely be able to handle OKC, since MIL could actually play defense and racked up about 25 assists per game.

The HOF thing is due to several factors.   Mainly their players didn't play many years.  Then there is the little issue of Bird, McHale, Parish, Ainge, Erving, Barkley, Malone, Cheeks that they had to face every year in the playoffs.

But if you really don't think Moncreif, Pressey, Cummings, Pierce, Hodges, Lister were any good, well what can I say.

www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1986_leaders.html

vs.

www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2012_leaders.html

Nobody on OKC is a HOFer yet, and I doubt there will be more than 1 of them that becomes HOF material.  I also doubt the Lakers have more than 1, unless Bynum finally lives-up to his high expectations for a handful of seasons (unless you'd try to argue Gasol, which is a joke).

Posted by stinenavy on 7/27/2012 12:04:00 PM (view original):
25 years from now Durant will be in the Hall of Fame and Westbrook might be as well.

Pau's on the cusp of being a Hall of Famer, whether you like it or not.

Saying that that Milwaukee team would beat OKC is just retarded.

Posted by 05nomar05 on 7/27/2012 1:33:00 PM (view original):
I have an idea....why don't you guys sim the matchups!

Posted by malone9975 on 7/29/2012 7:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by 05nomar05 on 7/27/2012 1:33:00 PM (view original):
I have an idea....why don't you guys sim the matchups!

We can't do that because the sim is broken...it's like actually believing that paper beats rock

Posted by ashamael on 7/29/2012 9:51:00 PM (view original):

Posted by malone9975 on 7/29/2012 7:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by 05nomar05 on 7/27/2012 1:33:00 PM (view original):
I have an idea....why don't you guys sim the matchups!

We can't do that because the sim is broken...it's like actually believing that paper beats rock

I read that (nomar's post) as a tongue-in-cheek comment.

Posted by malone9975 on 7/30/2012 7:31:00 AM (view original):

Posted by ashamael on 7/29/2012 9:51:00 PM (view original):

Posted by malone9975 on 7/29/2012 7:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by 05nomar05 on 7/27/2012 1:33:00 PM (view original):
I have an idea....why don't you guys sim the matchups!

We can't do that because the sim is broken...it's like actually believing that paper beats rock

I read that (nomar's post) as a tongue-in-cheek comment.

Please read that my post was nothing more than another one of my attempts to slam the mismanagement of what should be one of the five greatest things on earth.

Besides in a seven game series wouldn't OKC win 5 of 7 by like 15 points? The proliferation of three point shooting would skew the matchup.