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1/9/2012 1:22 PM
*Preliminary Round*


1982 California Angels over 1966 Minnesota Twins
Four games to three
MVP: Ken Forsch (3-0, 3.00 ERA, 12 K)
 
It would have been a shame if the 82 Angels did not win this best of seven series, even though it did go the distance. Few if any that watched this series would agree that the Angels were the superior team as their four wins were emphatic. The Angels outhit the Twins and scored a whopping 58 runs with the help of 12 home runs, the most we have seen yet. The Angels took the first two games of the series before losing twice in Minnesota in close games. Game six also went to the Twins 5-4 but the final game seven was a one sided affair ending 15-4.
 
In the deciding game Fred Lynn pulled off a most unique feat by homering twice, including a grand slam, all in the same inning! Lynn helped the Angels score 8 runs in the 6th inning to silence the Twins. Jim Kaat lost all three of the games he started for his team and ended with an ERA close to 10; Ken Forsch on the other hand got great run support and won all three of his starts. Justice prevailed with the Angels win.

Games
Game 1  
At Anaheim Stadium  
1966 Twins 2
1982 Angels 7
   
Game 2  
At Anaheim Stadium  
1966 Twins 2
1982 Angels 7
   
Game 3  
At Metropolitan Stadium  
1982 Angels 3
1966 Twins 4
   
Game 4  
At Metropolitan Stadium  
1982 Angels 12
1966 Twins 3
   
Game 5  
At Metropolitan Stadium  
1982 Angels 10
1966 Twins 12
   
Game 6  
At Anaheim Stadium  
1966 Twins 5
1982 Angels 4
   
Game 7  
At Anaheim Stadium  
1966 Twins 4
1982 Angels 15

Stats

1982 California Angels (93-69) AB H HR RBI AVG SB  
Rod Carew 28 11 1 5 0.393 0  
Brian Downing 28 7 0 3 0.250 0  
Doug Decinces 28 13 2 10 0.464 0  
Reggie Jackson 26 8 3 8 0.308 0  
Fred Lynn 31 13 3 10 0.419 0  
Bobby Grich 27 8 2 6 0.296 0  
Don Baylor 16 7 1 6 0.438 0  
Tim Foli 32 9 0 8 0.281 0  
Bob Boone 29 5 0 2 0.172 0  
Ron Jackson 1 0 0 0 0.000 0  
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Totals 246 81 12 58 0.329 0  
               
  IP W L ER BB  ERA
Ken Forsch 27 3 0 9 12 11 3.00
Geoff Zahn 13.3 1 0 6 5 5 4.06
Andy Hassler 6 0 0 2 1 2 3.00
Luis Sanchez 3 0 1 3 0 1 9.00
Mike Witt 6 0 1 3 1 1 4.50
Steve Renko 5.3 0 0 4 4 7 6.79
Doug Corbett 1.3 0 1 2 1 0 13.85
Dave Goltz 0 0 0 1 0 0 #DIV/0!
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Totals 61.9 4 3 30 24 27 4.36

1966 Minnesota Twins (89-73) AB H HR RBI AVG SB  
Cesar Tovar 30 5 0 1 0.167 0  
Don Mincher 29 8 3 8 0.276 0  
Harmon Killebrew 28 6 0 2 0.214 0  
Tony Oliva 28 9 0 2 0.321 0  
Jimmie Hall 26 10 2 6 0.385 1  
Earl Battey 26 5 1 3 0.192 0  
Bernie Allen 16 3 0 2 0.188 0  
Ted Uhlaender 21 2 0 4 0.095 0  
Zoilo Versalles 25 6 0 3 0.240 0  
Bob Allison 2 0 0 0 0.000 0  
Rich Rollins 2 1 0 0 0.500 0  
Totals 233 55 6 31 0.236 1  
               
  IP W L ER BB  ERA
Jim Kaat 16.6 0 3 18 13 6 9.76
Jim Merritt 10.3 0 0 4 12 2 3.50
Mudcat Grant 9.6 0 1 9 5 3 8.44
Pete Cimino 5.6 0 0 10 2 5 16.07
Jim Perry 6 2 0 0 6 3 0.00
Johnny Klippstein 4 1 0 2 1 2 4.50
Dwight Siebler 1.3 0 0 5 0 5 34.62
Al Worthington 2 0 0 2 2 1 9.00
Dave Boswell 4.6 0 0 6 4 0 11.74
Camilo Pascuel 0.6 0 0 2 0 3 30.00
              #DIV/0!
Totals 60.6 3 4 58 45 30 8.61
1/16/2012 3:09 PM
PRELIMINARY ROUND


 
1973 Baltimore Orioles over 1919 New York Giants
Four games to none
MVP: Paul Blair (.375, 1 HR, 3 RBI, 3 SB)
 
If you blinked you may have missed this series as the Orioles and Earl Weaver made very quick work of the 19 Giants and John McGraw. Grant Jackson won two games out of the bullpen and Mike Cuellar opened the series in the perfect way with a complete game shutout in game one. In game three, Jim Palmer followed with another shutout showing his command and proving that the strength of this Orioles team is their starting pitching. The Giants only managed seven runs in the series and batted a cumulative .205.
 
The Orioles also used speed at the top of the order with Paul Blair as the catalyst; Blair also hit an important home run in game four that sealed the series. Hal Chase was the best contributor for the Giants in this series batting .400, but as mentioned before few took his lead. The Orioles of Earl Weaver are sure to be heard from again, including their championship teams of the 70’s and 80’s.

Games
Game 1  
At Polo Grounds  
73 Orioles 4
19 Giants 0
   
Game 2  
At Polo Grounds  
73 Orioles 7
19 Giants 4
   
Game 3  
At Memorial Stadium  
19 Giants 0
73 Orioles 1
   
Game 4  
At Memorial Stadium  
19 Giants 3
73 Orioles 4

Stats

1919 New York Giants (87-53) AB H HR RBI AVG SB  
Benny Kauff 16 3 1 1 0.188 0  
Lew McCarty 15 4 0 2 0.267 0  
George Burns 13 2 0 0 0.154 1  
Ross Youngs 14 2 0 0 0.143 0  
Larry Doyle 14 2 0 0 0.143 1  
Hal Chase 15 6 0 3 0.400 0  
Heinie Zimmerman 16 5 0 1 0.313 0  
Art Fletcher 14 0 0 0 0.000 0  
George Kelly 4 1 0 0 0.250 0  
Jigger Statz 1 0 0 0 0.000 0  
          #DIV/0!    
Totals 122 25 1 7 0.205 2  
               
  IP W L ER BB  ERA
Jesse Barnes 15 0 1 5 5 1 3.00
Jean Dubuc 2.3 0 2 5 1 1 19.57
Rube Benton 7 0 0 2 1 1 2.57
Ferdie Schupp 1.6 0 0 2 2 0 11.25
Phil Douglas 1 0 0 0 0 0 0.00
Fred Toney 7 0 1 1 4 0 1.29
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Totals 33.9 0 4 15 13 3 3.98

1973 Baltimore Orioles (97-65) AB H HR RBI AVG SB  
Paul Blair 16 6 1 3 0.375 2  
Al Bumbry 18 6 0 2 0.333 2  
Rich Coggins 17 2 0 2 0.118 2  
Earl Williams 16 2 1 1 0.125 0  
Bobby Grich 12 5 0 3 0.417 0  
Tommy Davis 14 3 1 1 0.214 0  
Mark Belanger 13 5 0 1 0.385 0  
Brooks Robinson 14 2 0 0 0.143 0  
Marv Rettenmund 1 1 0 0 1.000 0  
Boog Powell 2 2 1 3 1.000 0  
Don Baylor 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0! 1  
Totals 123 34 4 16 0.276 7  
               
  IP W L ER BB  ERA
Mike Cuellar 16.3 1 0 3 5 5 1.66
Dave McNally 3.3 0 0 4 1 1 10.91
Bob Reynolds 2.6 0 0 0 2 0 0.00
Grant Jackson 1.6 2 0 0 0 0 0.00
Eddie Watt 2 0 0 0 0 0 0.00
Orlando Pena 1 0 0 0 1 0 0.00
Jim Palmer 9 1 0 0 5 4 0.00
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Totals 35.8 4 0 7 14 10 1.76
1/23/2012 3:20 PM
*Preliminary Round *


1990 Pittsburgh Pirates over 1949 Boston Red Sox
Four games to one
MVP: Doug Drabek (2-0, 1.00 ERA, 7 K, 18 IP)
 
The Pirates team of the early 90’s win another series and this time do it as the underdog against the 96 win 49 Red Sox. Don Slaught singled in the 12th inning of game four to win the marathon game and series with a walk off. The Pirates had a much easier time then many though including wining the first two games at Fenway as well as a 16-1 win in game four.
 
The Red Sox pitching was hard to watch at times as they issued 32 walks in the five game series and barely gave themselves a chance. Even the great Ted Williams only managed to bat .238 in the five games. Williams and the like were controlled by the likes of Doug Drabek who pitched to complete game wins and showed why he remains such an underrated pitcher. Maybe these Jim Leyland lead Pirate teams are a lot better then people thought.

Games
Game 1 
At Fenway Park
1990 Pirates 3
1949 Red Sox 1
Game 2
At Fenway Park
1990 Pirates 7
1949 Red Sox 6
Game 3
At Three Rivers Stadium
1949 Red Sox 4
1990 Pirates 1
Game 4
At Three Rivers Stadium
1949 Red Sox 1
1990 Pirates 16
Game 5
At Three Rivers Stadium
1949 Red Sox 4
1990 Pirates 5 (12 inn)

Stats

1990 Pittsburgh Pirates (95-67) AB H HR RBI AVG SB  
Don Slaught 22 7 0 3 0.318 0  
Barry Bonds 20 6 1 6 0.300 1  
Bobby Bonilla 21 4 1 2 0.190 0  
Andy Vanslyke 23 6 0 3 0.261 0  
Sid Bream 23 7 1 3 0.304 0  
Wally Backman 21 8 0 2 0.381 0  
Jose Lind 23 7 0 4 0.304 0  
Jay Bell 21 8 0 3 0.381 0  
Gary Redus 3 1 0 0 0.333 0  
Mike Lavalliere 3 0 0 0 0.000 0  
RJ Reynolds 2 0 0 0 0.000 0  
Totals 182 54 3 26 0.297 1  
               
  IP W L ER BB  ERA
Doug Drabek 18 2 0 2 7 5 1.00
John Smiley 5 0 0 3 0 0 5.40
Stan Belinda 3 0 0 3 1 5 9.00
Bob Patterson 2.3 0 0 4 0 0 15.65
Bill Landrum 3.6 1 0 0 2 1 0.00
Scott Ruskin 2 0 0 1 2 2 4.50
Bob Kipper 1 0 0 0 0 1 0.00
Neal Heaton 5 0 1 3 1 3 5.40
Bob Walk 6 0 0 1 2 0 1.50
Zane Smith 1.6 0 0 0 0 2 0.00
Ted Power 0.3 1 0 0 0 0 0.00
Totals 47.8 4 1 17 15 19 3.20

1949 Boston Red Sox (96-58) AB H HR RBI AVG SB  
Dom Dimaggio 26 9 0 1 0.346 0  
Johnny Pesky 21 7 0 2 0.333 0  
Ted Williams 21 5 1 3 0.238 0  
Vern Stephens 24 9 1 5 0.375 0  
Bobby Doerr 21 10 1 4 0.476 0  
Al Zarilla 19 3 0 1 0.158 0  
Birdie Tebbetts 20 3 0 0 0.150 0  
Billy Goodman 21 6 0 0 0.286 0  
Billy Hitchcock 3 1 0 0 0.333 0  
Matt Batts 1 0 0 0 0.000 0  
          #DIV/0! 0  
Totals 177 53 3 16 0.299 0  
               
  IP W L ER BB  ERA
Mel Parnell 13.3 0 2 12 9 8 8.12
Ellis Kinder 6.6 0 0 4 1 3 5.45
Tex Hughson 4.3 0 1 6 2 5 12.56
Earl Johnson 2.3 0 0 0 1 0 0.00
Joe Dobson 8 1 1 1 2 4 1.13
Walt Masterson 3.3 0 0 0 0 1 0.00
Mickey Harris 1.3 0 0 4 0 1 27.69
Mickey MeDermott 1 0 0 3 1 5 27.00
Chuck Stobbs 6 0 0 1 2 5 1.50
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Totals 46.1 1 4 31 18 32 6.05
2/13/2012 11:38 AM (edited)


2001 Houston Astros over 1942 Brooklyn Dodgers
Four games to three
MVP: Moises Alou (.500, 1 HR, 9 RBI, 15 H)
 
The 43 Dodgers started this series as the most resolute of the the two teams wining their first two games on the road, but in contrast to how they started, the Dodgers failed to close out a series they were in control of. The Astros pounded the Dodgers at Ebbets Field including a 17-0 win in game four that was flat embarrassing for the home team. In game five however the Bums rallied to win a great game on a late comeback 10-9 to take a 3-2 games lead. They only needed one game in Houston to close out the deal but came up short.
 
 
 
 
The Houston offense was the real story of this series as they .331 as a team and had three players drive in 33 runs in the middle of their order. Moises Alou hit .500 for the series and Vinny Castilla drove in 13 runs. Jeff Bagwell for his part drove in five runs in the critical game five win.

Games
Game 1  
At Enron Field  
1942 Dodgers 8
2001 Astros 6
   
Game 2  
At Enron Field  
1942 Dodgers 4
2001 Astros 2
   
Game 3  
At Ebbets Field  
2001 Astros 6
1942 Dodgers 2
   
Game 4  
At Ebbets Field  
2001 Astros 17
1942 Dodgers 0
   
Game 5  
At Enron Field  
1942 Dodgers 9
2002 Astros 10
   
Game 6  
At Enron Field  
1942 Dodgers 1
2001 Astros 9
   
Game 7  
At Enron Field  
1942 Dodgers 3
2001 Astros 11

Stats

2001 Houston Astros (93-69) AB H HR RBI AVG SB  
Julio Lugo 31 12 1 5 0.387 0  
Craig Biggio 34 10 1 5 0.294 0  
Lance Berkman 27 7 0 4 0.259 0  
Jeff Bagwell 27 11 1 11 0.407 0  
Moises Alou 30 15 1 9 0.500 0  
Vinny Castilla 31 9 2 13 0.290 0  
Richard Hidalgo 30 11 1 6 0.367 0  
Brad Ausmus 31 7 0 2 0.226 0  
Orlando Merced 2 0 0 1 0.000 0  
Daryle Ward 5 0 0 0 0.000 0  
          #DIV/0! 0  
Totals 248 82 7 56 0.331 0  
               
  IP W L ER BB  ERA
Wade Miller 22.3 2 1 9 15 14 3.63
Nelson Cruz 5 0 0 2 2 2 3.60
Mike Jackson 3.6 0 1 4 1 2 10.00
Octavio Dotel 2.6 0 0 4 1 3 13.85
Shane Reynolds 12.3 1 0 3 6 1 2.20
Scott Elarton 5 1 0 0 1 3 0.00
Ron Villone 3.6 0 0 0 5 2 0.00
Pedro Astacio 2 0 0 0 1 0 0.00
Roy Oswalt 4 0 1 4 2 4 9.00
Ted Redding 1 0 0 0 0 0 0.00
              #DIV/0!
Totals 61.4 4 3 26 34 31 3.81

1942 Brooklyn Dodgers (81-72) AB H HR RBI AVG SB  
Frenchy Bordagaray 32 7 0 5 0.219 0  
Dolph Camilli 27 5 1 3 0.185 0  
Augie Galan 31 12 1 3 0.387 0  
Billy Herman 28 8 0 1 0.286 0  
Arky Vaughan 22 6 0 2 0.273 0  
Dixie Walker 19 6 0 2 0.316 0  
Al Glossop 29 9 1 12 0.310 0  
Mickey Owen 30 10 0 4 0.333 0  
Gene Hermanski 2 1 0 0 0.500 0  
Paul Waner 4 0 0 0 0.000 0  
Red Barkley 1 0 0 0 0.000 0  
Totals 225 64 3 32 0.284 0  
               
  IP W L ER BB  ERA
Kirby Higbe 12 1 2 17 9 7 12.75
Les Webber 6.6 1 0 4 6 4 5.45
Max Macon 1.6 0 0 0 2 3 0.00
Whit Wyatt 12 0 1 6 8 4 4.50
Johnny Allen 1 1 0 0 0 1 0.00
Curt Davis 3 0 1 6 3 1 18.00
Ed Head 9.6 0 0 3 3 5 2.81
Fritz Osturmueller 3.3 0 0 0 1 0 0.00
Bobo Newsome 2 0 0 3 3 1 13.50
Bill Lohrman 6.3 0 0 7 1 5 10.00
Rube Melton 4 0 0 2 3 3 4.50
Totals 61.4 3 4 48 39 34 7.04
2/21/2012 3:33 PM


2005 St. Louis Cardinals over 1920 Chicago White Sox
Four games to three
MVP: Jim Edmonds (.367, 2 HR, 11 RBI)
 
The name Eddie Cicotte means many things to the Chicago White Sox and most of them are not memorable. Cicotte again came up short at the most crucial time and the 20 Sox lost a great series to the Cardinals; this is the same Sox team that would bring acclaim to the eight men out story. Cicotte was asked to close out the ninth inning of game seven of this series with a one run lead. With a runner on third, Yadier Molina hit a shot in the hole that the Sox tried to turn into the series ending double play, but Molina beat the throw on a close play and the game was tied. Back to back triples in the 10th by the Birds then put this series away for good.
 
Both teams had hot bats through the series and after the Cardinals won three in a row back came the White Sox who sent the series to Chicago needing two wins and almost pulled it off. The legendary Joe Jackson batted .500 in the series while Shano Collins drove in 12 runs, but it wasn’t enough.

Games
Game 1    
At Comiskey Park    
05 Cardinals 4  
20 White Sox 9  
     
Game 2    
At Comiskey Park    
05 Cardinals 6  
20 White Sox 5  
     
Game 3    
At Busch Stadium    
20 White Sox 8  
05 Cardinals 10  
     
Game 4    
At Busch Stadium    
20 White Sox 1  
05 Cardinals 5  
     
Game 5    
At Busch Stadium    
20 White Sox 10  
05 Cardinals 3  
     
Game 6    
At Comiskey Park    
05 Cardinals 4  
20 White Sox 5  
     
Game 7    
At Comiskey Park    
05 Cardinals 7  
20 White Sox 5 (10 inn)

Stats

2005 St. Louis Cardinals (100-62) AB H HR RBI AVG SB  
David Eckstein 34 10 0 3 0.294 0  
Larry Walker 31 8 2 7 0.258 0  
Albert Pujols 29 10 0 3 0.345 0  
Jim Edmonds 30 11 2 11 0.367 0  
Reggie Sanders 29 10 1 3 0.345 0  
Mark Grudzielanek 28 10 0 2 0.357 0  
Abraham Nunez 30 13 0 4 0.433 0  
Yadier Molina 28 7 0 1 0.250 0  
John Rodriguez 6 2 0 1 0.333 0  
Hector Luna 1 1 0 0 1.000 0  
So Taguchi 1 0 0 0 0.000 0  
Totals 247 82 5 35 0.332 0  
               
  IP W L ER BB  ERA
Chris Carpenter 21 1 1 13 9 1 5.57
Al Reyes 8 0 0 1 8 1 1.13
Julian Tavarez 2.6 0 0 4 0 2 13.85
Jason Marquis 11.6 1 1 6 1 10 4.66
Randy Flores 2 0 0 1 0 0 4.50
Jason Isrinhausen 3 0 0 0 2 2 0.00
Mark Mulder 6 1 0 4 0 0 6.00
Ray King 1 1 0 1     9.00
Jeff Suppan 4.3 0 1 7 1 4 14.65
Brad Thompson 0.6 0 0 1 0 0 15.00
Cal Eldred 1 0 0 0 0 0 0.00
Totals 61.1 4 3 38 21 20 5.60

1920 Chicago White Sox (96-58) AB H HR RBI AVG SB  
Buck Weaver 33 10 1 4 0.303 0  
Joe Jackson 32 16 1 5 0.500 0  
Happy Felsch 33 13 2 8 0.394 0  
Eddie Collins 32 11 0 2 0.344 0  
Shano Collins 33 11 0 12 0.333 0  
Swede Risberg 22 11 0 2 0.500 0  
Nemo Leibold 26 5 0 3 0.192 0  
Ray Schalk 27 10 0 4 0.370 0  
Eddie Murphy 3 0 0 0 0.000 0  
Ted Jourdan 1 0 0 0 0.000 0  
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Totals 242 87 4 40 0.360 0  
               
  IP W L ER BB  ERA
Red Faber 19.6 1 1 10 7 4 4.59
Roy Wilkinson 11.3 0 0 4 1 2 3.19
Lefty Williams 14.6 1 1 9 6 7 5.55
George Payne 1 0 0 1 0 0 9.00
Dickie Kerr 8.6 1 0 2 1 1 2.09
Eddie Cicotte 6.6 0 2 8 4 2 10.91
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Totals 61.7 3 4 34 19 16 4.96
3/19/2012 7:17 AM


1952 Cleveland Indians over 2004 Houston Astros
Four games to three
MVP: Al Rosen (.381, 3 HR, 7 RBI)
 
Another tight series saw the Indians win three games in a row to come from behind and steal this series in six games. The headliner of the series was a wild and dramatic game five in Houston that ended like a football game, 14-12 In 11 innings. The visiting Indians came from behind in the game down six runs and broke the back of the Astros with the win. Houston didn’t have the resolve to win the last two games they needed in Cleveland Stadium.
 
The Indians lineup lead by Dale Mitchell, Al Rosen, and Luke Easter were the heart of the Cleveland engine driving in 16 runs, Mitchell almost hit .500 in the series. Mike Garcia was very strong in the series allowing only three earned runs and Bob Lemon was the man on the mound to close out the series in game six. Roger Clemens had a good couple of starts but did walk 13 men and ended up losing game six when his team needed him the most.


Games
Game 1    
At Cleveland Stadium    
2004 Astros 1  
1952 Indians 3  
     
Game 2    
At Cleveland Stadium    
2004 Astros 5  
1952 Indians 1  
     
Game 3    
At Minute Maid Park    
1952 Indians 3  
2004 Astros 11  
     
Game 4    
At Minute Maid Park    
1952 Indians 4  
2004 Astros 2  
     
Game 5    
At Minute Maid Park    
1952 Indians 14  
2004 Astros 12 (11 inn)
     
Game 6    
At Cleveland Stadium    
2004 Astros 3  
1952 Indians 8  

Stats

1952 Cleveland Indians (93-61) AB H HR RBI AVG SB  
Bobby Avila 26 6 0 0 0.231 0  
Dale Mitchell 25 12 0 4 0.480 0  
Larry Doby 22 4 0 2 0.182 0  
Al Rosen 21 8 3 7 0.381 0  
Luke Easter 20 8 2 5 0.400 0  
Ray Boone 27 5 0 4 0.185 0  
Harry Simpson 24 4 2 6 0.167 0  
Jim Hegan 27 5 0 0 0.185 0  
Wally Westlake 2 1 0 0 0.500 0  
Joe Tipton 1 1 1 3 1.000 0  
          #DIV/0! 0  
Totals 195 54 8 31 0.277 0  
               
  IP W L ER BB  ERA
Mike Garcia 16.6 1 0 3 8 4 1.63
Lou Brissie 4.3 1 0 0 2 1 0.00
Bob Lemon 17 1 1 8 4 5 4.24
Early Wynn 9.2 1 1 6 5 7 5.87
Steve Gromek 2 0 0 6 3 2 27.00
Sam Jones 0.6 0 0 0 0 2 0.00
Bob Feller 4.3 0 0 4 3 4 8.37
Mickey Harris 0.6 0 0 3 0 0 45.00
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Totals 54.6 4 2 30 25 25 4.95

2004 Houston Astros (92-70) AB H HR RBI AVG SB  
Craig Biggio 26 6 1 4 0.231 0  
Jeff Bagwell 26 7 0 2 0.269 0  
Lance Berkman 25 6 2 4 0.240 0  
Carlos Beltran 26 8 1 6 0.308 1  
Jeff Kent 24 6 0 4 0.250 0  
Morgan Ensberg 24 6 0 2 0.250 0  
Brad Ausmus 23 8 1 3 0.348 0  
Jose Vizcaino 19 2 0 1 0.105 0  
Eric Bruntlett 5 2 1 3 0.400 0  
Richard Hidalgo 1 0 0 0 0.000 0  
Mike Lamb 2 1 0 0 0.500 0  
Jason Lane 1 1   2 1.000 0  
Totals 202 53 6 31 0.262 1  
               
  IP W L ER BB  ERA
Roy Oswalt 15.3 0 2 6 12 6 3.53
Roger Clemens 14 1 1 2 11 13 1.29
Dan Miceli 5.3 0 0 1 6 0 1.70
Pete Munro 6 1 0 2 2 0 3.00
Kirk Bullinger 1 0 0 1 0 0 9.00
Chad Harville 1 0 0 4 0 4 36.00
Andy Pettite 5 0 0 5 8 1 9.00
Mike Gallo 0.6 0 0 0 0 1 0.00
Chad Qualls 0.3 0 0 0 0 0 0.00
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Totals 48.5 2 3 21 39 25 3.90
4/2/2012 11:07 AM


2000 SF Giants over 1914 Boston Red Sox
Four games to one
MVP: Livan Hernandez (2-0, 3.21 ERA, 7 K, 2 BB)
 
The old Red Sox didn’t put up much of a fight against the modern Giants and couldn’t really hold a lead which lead to their exit in only five games. Livan Hernandez used pinpoint control to win both games one and games four showing no signs that his lack of velocity would play in to the Boston hitters hands. Russ Ortiz pitched a shutout in game two really showing the dominance the Giants seem to have in this series. Tris Speaker was about the only Sox player who hit the ball with his eight hits for a team that only had 39 hits in five games.
 
The many observers surprise the Giants didn’t with their pitching and small ball as not a single player hit a home run for them. The mighty Barry Bonds had a very quiet series only getting three hits at the heart of the order and not driving in a single run. No one will seem to remember anything however other then the dominance the Giants showed over the BoSox.


Games
Game 1  
At Pac Bell Park  
14 Red Sox 3
00 Giants 6
   
Game 2  
At Pac Bell Park  
14 Red Sox 0
00 Giants 8
   
Game 3  
At Fenway Park  
00 Giants 3
14 Red Sox 6
   
Game 4  
At Fenway Park  
00 Giants 3
14 Red Sox 2
   
Game 5  
At Fenway Park  
00 Giants 6
14 Red Sox 2

Stats

2000 SF Giants (97-65) AB H HR RBI AVG SB  
Marvin Benard 21 1 0 2 0.048 0  
J.T. Snow 23 10 0 5 0.435 0  
Barry Bonds 18 3 0 0 0.167 0  
Ellis Burks 21 6 0 2 0.286 0  
Jeff Kent 19 9 0 2 0.474 0  
Bobby Estalella 20 4 0 2 0.200 0  
Bill Mueller 21 7 0 3 0.333 0  
Rich Aurilia 13 8 0 4 0.615 0  
Armando Rios 5 2 0 3 0.400 0  
Ramon Martinez 1 0 0 0 0.000 0  
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Totals 162 50 0 23 0.309 0  
               
  IP W L ER BB  ERA
Livan Hernandez 14 2 0 5 7 2 3.21
Felix Rodriguez 5 1 0 0 4 3 0.00
Rob Nen 2.6 0 0 0 2 2 0.00
Russ Ortiz 9 1 0 0 2 8 0.00
Kirk Rueter 5 0 1 5 0 0 9.00
Doug Henry 0.3 0 0 1 1 1 30.00
Aaron Fultz 0.6 0 0 0 0 0 0.00
Shawn Estes 6 0 0 2 1 6 3.00
Alan Embree 1.3 0 0 0 1 0 0.00
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Totals 43.8 4 1 13 18 22 2.67

1914 Boston Red Sox (91-62) AB H HR RBI AVG SB  
Hal Janvrin 20 8 0 1 0.400 0  
Bill Carrigan 13 2 0 0 0.154 0  
Tris Speaker 17 8 0 2 0.471 0  
Dick Hoblitzel 22 6 0 1 0.273 1  
Duffy Lewis 21 5 1 4 0.238 0  
Harry Hooper 15 1 0 0 0.067 1  
Larry Gardner 19 4 0 2 0.211 1  
Everett Scott 20 3 1 1 0.150 1  
Del Gainer 2 1 0 0 0.500 0  
Olaf Henrickson 1 1 0 0 1.000 0  
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Totals 150 39 2 11 0.260 4  
               
  IP W L ER BB  ERA
Ray Collins 13.2 0 2 6 5 8 4.09
Fritz Coumbe 3.3 0 0 4 0 5 10.91
Hugh Bedient 4 0 0 1 2 0 2.25
Vean Greg 0.3 0 1 2 0 0 60.00
Rube Foster 7 0 1 4 2 3 5.14
Rankin Johnson 2 0 0 2 2 0 9.00
Dutch Leonard 8 1 0 3 11 3 3.38
Ernie Shore 5 0 0 2 2 3 3.60
              #DIV/0!
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Totals 42.8 1 4 24 24 22 5.05
4/18/2012 10:40 AM


1968 San Francisco Giants over 1938 Boston Red Sox
Four games to one
MVP: Willie McCovey (.474, 1 HR, 6 RBI)
 
The pre Ted Williams Red Sox didn’t muster enough offense or power to compete and get past the Giants in a relatively one sided series. The BoSox hit only one home run d scored a paltry 18 runs in five games leaving much to be desired. Jimmie Foxx ended the series with one sole RBI. Juan Marichal won two games as San Fran used six pitchers for the entire series and let their starters do most of the work.
 
The Giants won all three games at Candlestick Park, two of which were tight one run games. In between the Giants had their biggest breakthrough of the series winning 13-5 in game four. Bullpen arms like Emerson Dickson and Dick Mdkiff cost the Sox in the close ones and it seemed like late in games the result was sure to fall into Giant hands.

Games
Game 1  
At Fenway Park  
1968 Giants 5
1938 Red Sox 2
   
Game 2  
At Fenway Park  
1968 Giants 5
1938 Red Sox 6
   
Game 3  
At Candlestick Park  
1938 Red Sox 5
1968 Giants 6
   
Game 4  
At Candlestick Park  
1938 Red Sox 5
1968 Giants 13
   
Game 5  
At Candlestick Park  
1938 Red Sox 3
1968 Giants 4
 
Stats

1968 San Francisco Giants (88-74) AB H HR RBI AVG SB  
Bobby Bonds 22 5 0 3 0.227 0  
Ron Hunt 19 5 0 1 0.263 0  
Willie McCovey 19 9 1 6 0.474 0  
Willie Mays 19 7 0 3 0.368 0  
Jim Ray Hart 21 8 2 6 0.381 0  
Dick Dietz 19 3 1 3 0.158 0  
Hal Lanier 21 7 0 4 0.333 0  
Jesus Alou 21 6 0 3 0.286 0  
          #DIV/0! 0  
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Totals 161 50 4 29 0.311 0  
               
  IP W L ER BB  ERA
Juan Marichal 15.6 2 0 7 6 3 4.04
Gaylord Perry 8.3 0 1 6 1 5 6.51
Frank Linzy 5.3 0 0 1 1 0 1.70
Ray Sadecki 7.6 1 0 4 6 2 4.74
Mike McCormick 7 1 0 2 2 2 2.57
Joe Gibbon 0.3 0 0 0 0 0 0.00
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Totals 44.1 4 1 20 16 12 4.08

1938 Boston Red Sox (88-61) AB H HR RBI AVG SB  
Pinky Higgins 22 6 1 3 0.273 0  
Gene Desautels 22 7 0 3 0.318 0  
Jimmie Foxx 22 7 0 1 0.318 0  
Joe Cronin 16 3 0 2 0.188 0  
Ben Chapman 22 8 0 3 0.364 1  
Joe Vosmik 21 4 0 2 0.190 0  
Bobby Doerr 20 4 0 2 0.200 0  
Doc Cramer 20 6 0 1 0.300 0  
Jim Tabor 4 3 0 1 0.750 0  
Johnny Peacock 1 0 0 0 0.000 0  
          #DIV/0! 0  
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Totals 170 48 1 18 0.282 1  
               
  IP W L ER BB  ERA
Jack Wilson 9.3 0 1 10 8 6 9.68
Emerson Dickman 3 0 2 6 0 3 18.00
Archie McKain 3.6 0 0 1 1 3 2.50
Joe Heving 2 0 0 0 0 1 0.00
Jim Bagby 4.6 0 0 5 1 2 9.78
Johnny Marcum 3.6 1 0 0 0 0 0.00
Lefty Grove 6 0 0 2 5 2 3.00
Dick Midkiff 3.3 0 0 4 2 1 10.91
Charlie Wagner 0.6 0 0 0 0 0 0.00
Fritz Ostermueller 6.6 0 0 2 2 4 2.73
              #DIV/0!
Totals 42.6 1 3 30 19 22 6.34
4/18/2012 11:50 AM
I haven't followed the whole thread, but it appears that the more modern team almost always wins the series.

Is this because the modern teams are better; because WIS is biased (perhaps unavoidably) in favor of modern baseball; because the user who is conducting this experiment unknowingly biases his lineups in favor of modern teams; because all of the above or none of the above?

It's a fascinating undertaking. I just doubt that the outcome will be meaningful. If, for instance, the 2004 Red Sox or the 2011 Cardinals defeated the 1927 Yankees, would anyone be convinced that the modern team was the better team?


4/18/2012 12:30 PM
It's the bullpens.  I've done a ton of juice leagues where teams from every era compete and teams with modern day bullpens tend to be above average.  Back in the old days, relief pitchers were guys who weren't good enough to be starters.  Nowadays, we have specialists like closers, set-up men, and left handed specialists with ERAs under 2 and whips under 1.  That was a rarity back in the day.

Also, mid-century pitchers tended to both start and relieve.  So, you'll get a lot of guys who averaged 3-5 IP/G.  In RL, those guys could throw complete games.  In the sim, you have to set their pitch count to 50-70, so they'd never finish a game.  And unless you tinkered with your pitching staff on a daily basis, they would pitch less than the number of innings they did in RL.
4/20/2012 11:26 AM (edited)
Posted by doubletruck on 4/18/2012 11:50:00 AM (view original):
I haven't followed the whole thread, but it appears that the more modern team almost always wins the series.

Is this because the modern teams are better; because WIS is biased (perhaps unavoidably) in favor of modern baseball; because the user who is conducting this experiment unknowingly biases his lineups in favor of modern teams; because all of the above or none of the above?

It's a fascinating undertaking. I just doubt that the outcome will be meaningful. If, for instance, the 2004 Red Sox or the 2011 Cardinals defeated the 1927 Yankees, would anyone be convinced that the modern team was the better team?


Your point is very valid but let me just add a quick response:

- If we did actually play a modern team against an older team wouldnt the modern team have more success logically? Due to the enhancements in the modern game as well as the better athletes, this of course is arguable but could hold some water.

- Second you say the outcome is not meaningful, well can you not say that about the total concept of the WIS website? The idea is to play the games out to see what hypothetically may have happened as obviously such a matchup could and will never happen.

- Finally for me personally the biggest reason I do this is to become a student of the game. When I sim with a team i research them and find out what they were all about and what the best players were like. It is amazing to me how much history the game of baseball has that has not been uncovered or lost by so many.

Regardless, I hope people are enjoying these matchups and maybe are taking the time to remember some of their favorite teams or even more so team from the past that they may have never noticed or researched.

Finally, maybe the 2011 Cardinals were better then the 1927 Yankees.....
5/7/2012 3:01 PM


1969 Atlanta Braves over 2010 Tampa Bay Rays
Four games to three
MVP: Phil Niekro (2-0, 3.05 ERA, 20 K)
 
Another series goes the limit with the relative underdog in most peoples eyes pulling out the win. The teams went back and forth with neither side gaining more then a game lead through the seven. The best game of the series was likely game five where the Braves completed a comeback to win 8-7 in 10 innings off a Hank Aaron sacrifice fly. The Rays were able to force a seventh game behind Matt Garza but it did not translate to a win game seven.
 
The knuckleball of Phil Niekro was a tough nut to crack for the Rays as he styfled them twice and struck out 20 in his three starts, his most important win coming in the biggest game. Evan Longoria and Carl Crarford struggled as the Rays hit .240 as a team. Aaron went deep twice and other unsung heroes like Bob Didier had a big impact batting .440 and leading the team with 8 RBI.

Games
Game 1    
At Tropicana Field    
69 Braves 2  
10 Rays 4  
     
Game 2    
At Tropicana Field    
69 Braves 14  
10 Rays 2  
     
Game 3    
At Fulton County Stadium  
10 Rays 4  
69 Braves 7  
     
Game 4    
At Fulton County Stadium  
10 Rays 5  
69 Braves 2  
     
Game 5    
At Fulton County Stadium  
10 Rays 7  
69 Braves 8 (10 inn)
     
Game 6    
At Tropicana Field    
69 Braves 4  
10 Rays 7  
     
Game 7    
At Tropicana Field    
69 Braves 6  
10 Rays 4  

Stats

1969 Atlanta Braves (93-69) AB H HR RBI AVG SB  
Felix Millan 32 12 1 4 0.375 0  
Clete Boyer 31 12 1 5 0.387 0  
Hank Aaron 31 9 2 4 0.290 0  
Rico Carty 27 8 0 4 0.296 0  
Tony Gonzalez 29 10 1 7 0.345 0  
Orlando Cepeda 28 5 1 2 0.179 0  
Felipe Alou 29 7 1 3 0.241 0  
Sonny Jackson 23 4 0 3 0.174 0  
Bob Didier 25 11 0 8 0.440 0  
          #DIV/0! 0  
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Totals 255 78 7 40 0.306 0  
               
  IP W L ER BB  ERA
Phil Niekro 23.6 2 0 8 20 7 3.05
Paul Doyle 4 1 1 3 1 1 6.75
Claude Raymond 1 0 0 0 0 0 0.00
Pat Jarvis 11.6 1 1 9 6 10 6.98
Ken Johnson 0.6 0 0 0 0 1 0.00
Jim Britton 5.6 0 0 0 4 0 0.00
Ron Reed 5.6 0 1 6 2 2 9.64
Gene Neibauer 1 0 0 0 1 1 0.00
Milt Pappas 4.6 0 0 6 3 2 11.74
Cecil Upshaw 1.6 0 0 1 1 0 5.63
              #DIV/0!
Totals 59.2 4 3 33 38 24 5.02

2010 Tampa Bay Rays (96-66) AB H HR RBI AVG SB  
Jason Bartlett 30 6 0 0 0.200 1  
Ben Zobrist 26 8 0 1 0.308 0  
Carl Crawford 29 7 1 4 0.241 2  
Evan Longoria 29 5 0 3 0.172 0  
Carlos Pena 25 8 2 6 0.320 0  
B.J. Upton 25 8 3 6 0.320 2  
Dan Johnson 21 6 3 8 0.286 0  
Matt Joyce 23 3 0 3 0.130 0  
John Jaso 23 5 1 3 0.217 0  
Sean Rodriguez 2 0 0 0 0.000 0  
          #DIV/0! 0  
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Totals 233 56 10 34 0.240 5  
               
  IP W L ER BB  ERA
David Price 21 1 2 8 11 6 3.43
Rafael Soriano 3.6 0 0 0 0 0 0.00
Matt Garza 13 1 1 9 5 2 6.23
Joaquin Benoit 5 0 0 5 5 1 9.00
Jeremy Hellickson 2 0 0 1 1 0 4.50
Andy Sonnastine 3.3 1 0 5 2 0 13.64
Grant Balfour 4.5 0 0 0 2 0 0.00
James Shields 4.6 0 0 3 2 0 5.87
Dan Wheeler 2.3 0 0 0 1 0 0.00
Lance Cormier 2.3 0 1 2 0 2 7.83
Wade Davis 1 0 0 5 0 1 45.00
Totals 62.6 3 4 38 29 12 5.46
5/11/2012 3:07 PM


1984 Chicago Cubs over 1946 Detroit Tigers
Four games to none
MVP: Ron Cey (.438, 3 HR, 8 RBI)
 
A piece of cake and in many ways much easier then expected for the 84 Cubs who avoided a choke and swept away the 46 Tigers. The four games were competitive but ultimately it was the Cubs hitting that made the difference finding the big innings and coming from behind on numerous occasions. The series as a whole had 18 home runs in only four games and another game that saw 25 runs. In the clinching game four win the Cubs scored 6 runs in the 8th inning to stun the Tigers and beat them 7-5.
 
Through all the offense, game one was quite a pitchers duel with Ron Cey getting the only by blow in a two run win behind a Rick Sutcliffe masterful shutout. Gary Matthews had a clutch three run home run in game two and in game three Chicago was all over Virgil Trucks and held a 15-2 lead. Sutcliffe kept his team close and the Cubbies for a change made the big plays late to win game four and emphatically move on. Tiger star Roy Cullenbine did make his mark by hitting a rare three home runs in game three.

Games
Game 1
At Wrigley Field
46 Tigers 0
84 Cubs 2
Game 2 
At Wrigley Field
46 Tigers 8
84 Cubs 11
Game 3
At Briggs Stadium
84 Cubs 15
46 Tigers 10
Game 4
At Briggs Stadium
84 Cubs 7
46 Tigers 5

Stats

1946 Detroit Tigers (92-62) AB H HR RBI AVG SB  
Eddie Lake 16 6 1 3 0.375 0  
Dick Wakefield 18 5 3 5 0.278 0  
Roy Cullenbine 17 6 4 7 0.353 0  
Hank Greenberg 12 3 2 1 0.250 0  
George Kell 16 2 0 0 0.125 0  
Hoot Evers 17 5 0 1 0.294 0  
Jimmy Bloodworth 13 5 0 1 0.385 0  
Birdie Tebbetts 16 4 0 2 0.250 0  
Doc Cramer 3 1 0 0 0.333 0  
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Totals 128 37 10 20 0.289 0  
               
  IP W L ER BB  ERA
Hal Newhouser 15 0 1 5 21 3 3.00
George Caster 2 0 1 2 0 1 9.00
Dizzy Trout 9.6 0 0 5 8 2 4.69
Hal White 0.3 0 0 2 1 2 60.00
Stubby Overmire 3.3 0 1 9 1 3 24.55
Virgil Trucks 3.6 0 1 7 2 3 17.50
              #DIV/0!
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Totals 33.8 0 4 30 33 14 7.99

1984 Chicago Cubs (96-65) AB H HR RBI AVG SB  
Bob Dernier 16 6 0 1 0.375 0  
Gary Matthews 15 3 1 6 0.200 0  
Ryne Sandberg 18 3 0 4 0.167 1  
Leon Durham 18 5 1 4 0.278 0  
Ron Cey 16 7 3 8 0.438 0  
Keith Moreland 15 1 1 2 0.067 0  
Larry Bowa 15 6 0 3 0.400 1  
Jody Davis 15 2 2 3 0.133 0  
Richie Hebner 3 1 0 1 0.333 0  
Thad Bosley 1 1 0 0 1.000 0  
Mel Hall 1 1 0 2 1.000 0  
          #DIV/0! 0  
Totals 133 36 8 34 0.271 2  
               
  IP W L ER BB  ERA
Rick Sutcliffe 13 1 0 5 13 4 3.46
Lee Smith 3 0 0 0 1 1 0.00
Steve Trout 3.6 0 0 3 1 2 7.50
Rick Rueschel 1.3 0 0 2 1 0 13.85
Tim Stoddard 4 0 0 0 3 1 0.00
Warren Brusstar 1.6 1 0 2 1 2 11.25
George Frazier 1.3 1 0 1 1 0 6.92
Dennis Eckersley 6.3 1 0 6 3 3 8.57
Rich Bordi 1.6 0 0 4 1 0 22.50
              #DIV/0!
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Totals 35.7 4 0 23 25 13 5.80
7/2/2012 1:22 PM


1952 New York Giants over 1922 Cincinnati Reds
Four games to none
MVP: Jim Hearn (1-0, 0.85 ERA, 5 K)
 
Two very tight games at the Polo Grounds seemed to take the life out of the 1922 Reds and they didn’t bring their bats to Cincinnati where they lost the next two and wimpered out of the series. Hank Thompson won game one in the 10th inning as Jim Hearn pitched the first of his two strong outings in the series. Hearn would allow only one run in 11 innings of work and pitched well in the clincher as well.
 
The series lacked the big offensive explosion with only two home runs total being hit. The Giants did bat .321 but most of their hits were singles and station to station baseball. The Reds didn’t have a single batter drive in more then one run and fell prey to the aggressive Giant pitching. Hoyt Wilhelm also had a good series for the Giants on the mound appearing in three games including a win in game 2.

Games
Game 1 
At Polo Grounds
22 Reds 1
52 Giants 2 (10 inn)
Game 2
At Polo Grounds
22 Reds 8
52 Giants 9
Game 3
At Redland Field
52 Giants 5
22 Reds 1
Game 4
At Redland Field
52 Giants 3
22 Reds 1

Stats
1922 Cincinnati Reds (86-68) AB H HR RBI AVG SB  
George Burns 19 7 0 1 0.368 0  
George Harper 15 2 0 1 0.133 0  
Jake Daubert 16 4 0 2 0.250 1  
Bubbles Hargrave 13 4 0 2 0.308 0  
Pat Duncan 17 6 0 1 0.353 0  
Babe Pinelli 15 3 0 1 0.200 1  
Ike Caveney 15 2 0 0 0.133 0  
Sam Bohne 15 3 0 2 0.200 0  
Edd Roush 3 0 0 0 0.000 0  
Lew Fonseca 1 0 0 0 0.000 0  
          #DIV/0! 0  
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Totals 129 31 0 10 0.240 2  
               
  IP W L ER BB  ERA
Eppa Rixey 14.6 0 1 2 3 2 1.23
John Gillespie 5.3 0 1 2 1 1 3.40
Cliff Markle 2 0 1 1 1 4 4.50
Johnny Couch 4.3 0 0 5 1 1 10.47
Dolf Luque 6.2 0 1 4 4 3 5.81
John Gillespie 1.3 0 0 0 0 1 0.00
Cliff Markle 1 0 0 1 0 0 9.00
              #DIV/0!
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Totals 34.7 0 4 15 10 12 3.89

1952 New York Giants (92-62) AB H HR RBI AVG SB  
Alvin Dark 20 8 0 0 0.400 0  
Wes Westrum 14 4 0 2 0.286 0  
Bobby Thomson 19 7 0 2 0.368 0  
Hank Thompson 19 4 1 4 0.211 0  
Whitey Lockman 18 9 0 4 0.500 0  
Don Mueller 16 5 1 2 0.313 0  
Bob Elliott 15 6 0 4 0.400 0  
Davey Williams 15 2 0 1 0.133 0  
Bobby Hofman 3 0 0 0 0.000 0  
Bill Rigney 1 0 0 0 0.000 1  
          #DIV/0!    
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Totals 140 45 2 19 0.321 1  
               
  IP W L ER BB  ERA
Jim Hearn 10.6 1 0 1 5 3 0.85
Hoyt Wilhelm 8.6 1 0 1 1 5 1.05
Max Lanier 3.3 1 0 0 1 0 0.00
Sal Maglie 3 0 0 8 0 2 24.00
Dave Koslo 4 0 0 0 1 0 0.00
Larry Jansen 7 1 0 1 1 1 1.29
              #DIV/0!
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Totals 36.5 4 0 11 9 11 2.71
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