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2/4/2013 9:48 PM
Looking for information on how Progressive leagues have progressed at WhatIfSports.
2/4/2013 10:04 PM

 

 

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WIS: What is one feature you want to see implemented in a future update?

zlionsfan: The almost total lack of support for progressive leagues has made our commissioner pull his eyes out every season.

bagchucker: Progressives support. Keeper lists and draft lists and running the draft. In order to do this right, WIS has to play and run some progressives for a few cycles. Otherwise there are a thousand niggling details you are sure to get wrong.

smeric: The inability to run keeper leagues and annual drafts for said leagues automatically through the draft center. Progressive commissioners would have a much easier time sustaining their leagues if the draft center was more progressive friendly. From a business standpoint this should be a HIGH priority for WIS given the long-term nature of the PROGRESSIVE league concept. I've been in quite a number of progressive leagues that ceased operating due to commissioners being unable to maintain the incredible level of effort required over 20, 30 or 40+ seasons. Make it easier to run progressive league and you'll see more of them survive and therefore more recurring revenue for your company.

ernestleifB: I think that it would be rather easy to generate a players list automatically for an upcoming draft of an ongoing progressive league. The commissioner of the league, in this case ceez, could enter the league number of the previous season and a feature could be created to generate a list of players available in the next season's database that did not appear on any roster at any point during the previous season. I don't think it would be that hard to do.

rsp777: A-FREAKING-MEN TO THIS! That is one VERY simple idea that would make sim leagues SO much easier for commissioners to deal with, especially in our case where there is no IR and a guy returns to the draft pool if he misses a season. Sometimes the research needed in the Centennial League can be a bit much because of the no IR rule, and a feature such as this would make things WAY easier for the commish in doing an available players list and it would also make things WAY easier for owners because it would eliminate the need to dig deep to find guys who miss a season. That way another "Ian Kennedy"episode wouldn't happen and he wouldn't drop to me at the #6 pick.

Editor's note: Big plans are in the works to help progressive league play. Stay tuned!   ...   http://whatifsports.com/beyondtheboxscore/default.asp?article=interview_20111205



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  I had hoped for many of these improvements back in 2009. Seems like WhatIfSports Progressive League customers understand where improvements could be made.

I tried to work with administration when I was unable to continue managing my Progressive teams. I had plenty of credits and asked a like minded owner/ league commissioner, to handle the transition and gave him access to my teams and my account, unfortunately, that did not go as smoothly as he or I would have liked.

( I had always tried to post my current Progressive teams several seasons ahead. As an example, if I had a team playing 1933/1973 Split Progressive League, I would like to have my current roster posted in my team pages for about the upcoming 5 seasons, 1934/1974, 1935/1975, 1936/1976, 1937/1977, 1938/1978 in this example.

I had tried to get assistance from the WIS Search site, as well as Administration, to have a reference for players who were not continuously available in the Sim from their initial Sim season through their final Sim season.

Injuries and military service were usually the cause for these players to be out of our Sim in the middle of their careers, But there were players like Pitcher Fred Norman who has his initial Sim season in 1964 and does not reappear until 1970.

It would have been helpful to have a resource to find these type of players for every available season in the WhatIfSports Simulation.

An organized players available list for every season's Initial Progressive League Draft also would have been helpful.

I imagined WhatIfSports having very helpful resources available to anyone wanting to start a Progressive League.

For example a person wanting to start a Progressive League with an Initial 1947 Season, they could get lists displaying Players available sorted several ways, sorted alphabetically as well as by both position and salary. Since players sometime switch primary defensive position as their career progresses.

And also have a list for 1947 forward for those players whose eligibility and absence from the Sim go back and forth. )


 
2/5/2013 4:22 AM

 

Posted by thejuice6 on 2/1/2013 8:47:00 AM (view original):
Doggie, where ya been?  Haven't seen you around these parts in awhile...


   Hi Juice. Thank you for the warm welcome. 

   I departed rather suddenly back in 2009. Life, health, and changes I was holding out for at WhatIfSports not materializing, made it difficult to be as active as I had been.

   I haved checked in occasionally, but hope to try a few teams again.
   
   I had really hoped for positive changes when Administration looked at Baseball Progressive Leagues. 

   But I ended up with a frustrating conclusion.  Administration did not understand Progressive Leagues, 
 
   Administration was very familiar with adjusting the simulation engine for people who played live, one game at a time. Because that was how they used the site.

  I finally decided the changes I hoped for were opposed to how they viewed the baseball simulation.  A simulation that wants to closely resemble real life baseball for teams and players who progress one season at a time, does not work with an engine that reacts to quirks, cookies, new strategies, etc. . 

   If one wants to win a single computerized baseball game, Eddie Gaedel, John Paciorek, Cisco Carlos, Hurricane Bob Hazle ,Smoky Joe Wood,Pete Reiser, 1961 Norm Cash are who an owner would want on their team. If the same person owned a real life baseball team you would want Stan Musial, Tony Perez, Don Sutton, Jamie Moyer, Tony Phillips, Ben Zobrist type players.

  Fixes to the sim that negate over effective quirks make the sim less likely to mirror real life results.  Changes that make a half hour dice game harder to manipulate are not the same changes one would make to effect a dice game that takes 162 half hour rounds to complete.

   I tried to work with administration when I was unable to continue managing my Progressive teams. I had plenty of credits and asked a like minded owner/ league commissioner, to handle the transition and gave him access to my teams and my account, unfortunately, that did not go as smoothly as he or I would have liked.

 (  I had always tried to post my current Progressive teams several seasons ahead. As an example, if I had a team playing 1933/1973 Split Progressive League, I would like to have my current roster posted in my team pages for about the upcoming 5 seasons, 1934/1974, 1935/1975, 1936/1976, 1937/1977, 1938/1978 in this example.

   I had tried to get assistance from the WIS Search site, as well as Administration,  to have a reference for players who were not continuously available in the Sim from their initial Sim season through their final Sim season.

   Injuries and military service were usually the cause for these players to be out of our Sim in the middle of their careers, But there were players like Pitcher Fred Norman who has his initial Sim season in 1964 and does not reappear until 1970. 

   It would have been helpful to have a resource to find these type of players for every available season in the WhatIfSports Simulation.

   An organized players available list for every season's Initial Progressive League Draft also would have been helpful.

   I imagined WhatIfSports having very helpful resources available to anyone wanting to start a Progressive League. 

   For example a person wanting to start a Progressive League with an Initial 1947 Season, they could get lists displaying Players available sorted seferal ways, sorted alphabetically as well as by both position and salary. Since players sometime switch primary defensive position as their career progresses. 

   And also have a list for 1947 forward for those players whose eligibility and absence from the Sim go back and forth.  )



   I have been enjoying the MLB Network and the return of the NHL. I am sorry for the problems that arose from my departure, and sorry to BigLenR for raising the possibility he may once again have a less peaceful, image filled existence here in these forums.



           




                              


      





       




 

 

5/12/2013 9:23 AM
Bump this for the late Spring.

Going to announce a new progressive league sometime in the next week or so, and this is the best introduction there is for those owners who have not tried out the best kind of league there is at WIS. 
9/11/2013 12:22 AM
bump
4/4/2014 8:30 PM
bump as a reminder...especially for those new to progressives....that when you join one you should really commit to sticking with it for at least a calendar year.  (ie about 5 seasons).  Dropping out after a season or two just because you're bored or don't like the rules or you find out your team is lousy is just bad form.
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