3/22/2012 3:33 PM
Posted by AlCheez on 3/22/2012 3:16:00 PM (view original):
I essentially would agree with you that the root issue is the Sanchez/Ryan relationship - and really Ryan's leadership in general.  The presence of Tebow is just one more mine in that particular field.

Ryan is a conundrum for me.  I like him.  I like what he does.  I like the fact that I know he's going to do his best to compete every week.  That he's giving it everything he has.   However, I'm not sure I'd like him coaching MY team.    Whether it's the predictions, the snipping with fans, the tweaking of Sanchez, the foot fetish, etc, etc, it's always something with him.   Maybe it's good for the players that so much of the focus is on him.   Or maybe it's not. 

3/22/2012 3:47 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 3/22/2012 2:07:00 PM (view original):
Posted by deanod on 3/22/2012 2:02:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 3/22/2012 12:05:00 PM (view original):
It always comes back to the Patriots with these damn massholes.
We have the GOAT coach and the GOAT QB, hard to not talk about them 24/7
Yet somehow I manage to do it.
You're cut from a different cloth bro, you can't hold the rest of the world up to the standards of MikeT23
3/22/2012 4:05 PM
Al mentioned the media circus around Tebow. Perhaps Rex brought Tebow in to a) get the media focus on Tebow and off any of the team's warts, and b) get the media away from Sanchez so he can focus more on doing his job and less on his image
3/22/2012 4:27 PM
Mike....   You are making it sound as if I am upset with the Tebow signing on it's own.  Now, while I would rather have anyone else but Tim Tebow as my team's QB, I do realize that this particular signing was not the "Worst move of all time".  However, when you couple a few things together, you see why Jet fans are disappointed with management on this team.

Dating back to the early 1980's, the Jets have been mismanaged.  We took Johnny "Lam" Jones with the 2nd overall pick in the 1980 draft at WR and made him the first million dollar a year player.  Art Monk was the 2nd WR taken in that draft.  In 1983, we took Ken O'Brien at QB with our first pick.  2 picks later, Miami took Dan Marino.  In 1985, we took Al Toon with the 7th overall pick.  7 picks later, the 49ers took Jerry Rice.  In 1990, with the 2nd overall pick, we took Blair Thomas, and 12 picks later Emmitt Smith was taken.  This was a trend.  There are many more gaffes.  Too9 many more to even start to scratch the surface of why Jets fans show up, and usually boo at the NFL draft.

Fast forwarding to this season.....

We slide from AFC Championship game in 2009 & 2010 to out of playoffs in 2011.  And we were lucky to be 8-8.  We were down 21-10 to the Chargers in the 2nd half and came back to win.  We had Dallas gift us a game, etc....    Mark Sanchez had 8 lost fumbles.  Eight.  E  I  G  H  T.  One every other game.  He also had 18 Interceptions.  SIX of those turnovers went for 6 points immediately on that play.  After assessing why we slipped so badly, management decided to not aggressively pursue Peyton Manning.  JT can claim all he wants that Peyton would not go to the Jets, and not that the Jets didn't try to get him.  The fact remains that it was a lackluster effort AT BEST to get someone that talented.  Someone who is guaranteed to IMMEDIATELY fill a HUGE need.  They dropped the ball in NYC.  Bigtime.  Then they REWARD Mark Sanchez for having his most mistake laden season to date by extending his contract and giving him a raise.  You said that contracts are not guaranteed.  True.  Not this one.  Here is an excerpt from NFL.com that explains what the contract was and what it effectively did...  

"All told, Sanchez will get $20.5 million guaranteed compared to $17.75 million of non-guaranteed money over the next two years. It's a "measly" raise of $2.75 million."

It was a raise....  and a guarantee of his money for 2 years.  If he gets hit and injured for life on the 2nd play of the season, his signing bonus & salaries for 2012 & 2013 would be GUARANTEED.  To be fair, his signing bonus was already guaranteed.  But his salary was not.  Now it was raised, and guaranteed.   So....  for being the major reason we failed, the Jets saw fit to guarantee, extend and raise the contract of a below average NFL quarterback.

Then............    rather than upset our pouty, insecure, below average NFL QB that we just extended and made more wealthy & financially secure by getting a true NFL quarterback, we decided it was better to make a move that was (to quote Shakespeare) full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.  We traded for Tim Tebow.  who will likely never throw more than a dozen passes in a season for the Jets, but rather run a quirky fad that has not caught on anywhere because IT DOESNT WORK.  It was a MEDIA MOVE.  It was done to distract the masses from realizing that the Giants win Super Bowls, and the Jets dont win anything, but rather make the headlines only when they trade for a QB who most of the NFL world thinks is inept at passing (A pretty key component for an NFL QB).

Yeah.  We're bitter.  Angry and bitter fans.  Been that way for DECADES.  You called me a retard.  If that were true, I'd fit in perfectly with NY Jets management.  However, I am competent.  I am not stupid.  I do my job well.  I would stick out like a sore thumb in management on the Jets.
3/22/2012 4:38 PM
Posted by eschwartz67 on 3/21/2012 6:01:00 PM (view original):
Posted by mudbone1969 on 3/21/2012 5:20:00 PM (view original):
Pro - I get to laugh at cresticle in perpetuity because his beloved Jets are a laughingstock now.  There is no debating this.  Pluswhise, he's shown he's not a true fan.

Con - I like Elliot and he doesn't deserve to have this happen to his beloved team.  I'll still make fun of him as well, but I won't enjoy it as much as shitting on cresticle.
Thanks Tony.  No one deserves to have their beloved team trade anything more valuable than a ping pong ball for Tim Tebow.  And for those who are questioning why Jets fans are upset with this.....  Here is why.... 

It's not an isolated incident.  It is a series of ineptitude.

1)  We dont even try to sign Peyton Manning when he became available, even though our defense is basically solid, the run game is solid, we have Plaxico & Santonio as wideouts and Keller at TE which is solid, yet only finished 8-8 with a 3rd year QB who wasn't that dazzling in years 1 & 2, and definitely regressed year 3.

2)  We, after realizing Peyton wasn't coming here even though his BROTHER plays in our city, then REWARD the reason we were 8-8 with an extension and a raise.

3)  We then trade something more valuable than a ping pong ball for the most inaccruate QB of our generation (not acceptable even if he is only going to play Wildcat and goal-line formations)

You posted this, no?

Last sentence.
3/22/2012 4:42 PM
As for the Jets draft, with the except of Jones, how many teams passed on those other guys?  Hell, I'd love to have the best player in every draft.  Unfortunately, you don't get to know who that it until 12 years later.   Know what I mean?
3/22/2012 4:43 PM
And, while I agree that jtpops is a retard, there were some teams that Manning was not going to consider.    I count the Raiders in that group.  Pretty sure you can count the Jets(brother conflict and Rex).  Rant and rave about how they didn't aggressively pursue Manning but that's the same as you or I aggressively pursuing Kate Upton.  Ain't happening regardless of aggressiveness.
3/22/2012 5:06 PM

You posted this, no?

Last sentence.

I did say that.  And I did not say that Tebow made the Jets worse.  I said they were not improved.  They were essentially the same.  They made a whole hell of a lot of noise and fury trading for the most talked about player in the NFL last season.  And attained nothing.  Tim Tebow will not improve the Jets roster.  He won DESPITE his inept passing.  Just like Sanchez, I guess in 2009 & 2010.
3/22/2012 5:12 PM
I'd bet damn near anything that Tebow throws for more than a dozen passes this season.
3/22/2012 5:12 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 3/22/2012 4:42:00 PM (view original):
As for the Jets draft, with the except of Jones, how many teams passed on those other guys?  Hell, I'd love to have the best player in every draft.  Unfortunately, you don't get to know who that it until 12 years later.   Know what I mean?
Jerry Rice was the 2nd receiver taken after Al Toon.  The Bengals passed on Rice also and took Eddie Brown.  Marino was the next QB taken after the Jets drafted O'Brien.  No QB was in between.  Emmitt Smith was the next RB taken after Blair Thomas.  No RB was taken between Thomas and Smith.  And as I posted, Art Monk was the next WR taken after Lam Jones.

My point in this was that the Jets passed on HOFers at positiond they were filling year after year.  Not like drafting Tony Mandarich instead of Barry Sanders.  While it is true that the Packers passed on Sanders to take Mandarich, they played different positions.  I am comparing the Jets high first round picks at positions they drafted to players at those same positions that were drafted later.  And not like Tom Brady, in the 6th round where everyone passed on him, and no one thought highly of him....  but essentially the VERY NEXT player at that position.  A player that was considered a 1st round talent by most everyone other than the Jets, who for some reason took other players in front of the HOFer
3/22/2012 5:26 PM
I'm sure, had many teams known that Rice/Marino/Smith were going to be Rice/Marino/Smith, they would have chosen different players.   Marino MIGHT be the exception for several of those teams as there were some pretty good QB not named O'Brien taken in that draft.

As for worse/not improved, you can play the semantics game all day.   Nonetheless, in comparing Tebow's value to something less than a ping pong ball, you implied that the Jets were worse.  Unless, of course, you think the Jets have a lot of players who are worth less than a ping pong ball.  I'd disagree as they can do something you and I cannot fathom.  Play football, even poorly, at the professional level.   Ping pong balls would be worse than us.
3/23/2012 9:45 AM
I'm sure, had many teams known that Rice/Marino/Smith were going to be Rice/Marino/Smith, they would have chosen different players.

Well, I must be vague, because the ineptitude is pretty clear if I explain it correctly.. 

While what you said was true....   The first team who drafted after the Jets in 1980 who needed a WR took Art Monk.  The first team that picked after the Jets in 1983 who needed a QB took Marino.  The 2nd team that picked after the Jets in 1985 who needed a WR took Jerry Rice, and the 1st team who picked after the Jets in 1990 who took a RB took Emmitt Smith.  All those players were drafted in seasons where they were available, the Jets had a need at their position great enough that they were willing to use a high first round pick on that position, and yet they took someone else only to see the very next player taken at that position become a HOFer (and in the case of Rice, Marino & Smith...  among the best ever at their positions, if not the best ever).
3/23/2012 10:24 AM
No, you're viewing the drafts from those seasons in complete 20/20 hindsight.   You know what those players became and, due to your love/hate of the Jets, you're saying "They could have been ours!!!"    
16 teams passed on Smith.  Only one player(likely 2 with Seau pretty much a gimme) became a HOFer. 
15 teams passed on Rice.  2 HOFers from that group.
26 teams passed on Marino.  4 HOFers.   Blackledge and Eason were drafted before O'Brien.   Darrell Green was drafted after Marino.

Of the teams that passed on Smith/Rice/Marino, I'm guessing almost all of them would change their picks.   Unless you think Chicago would say "No, I understand how good Marino became but we really needed a T and a WR more than a QB.   Covert and Gault would still have been our picks."
3/23/2012 10:29 AM
Here, I'll do it with the Raiders(IIRC).

They took Huff, I wanted Leinart.
In need of a QB, they took Russell.  I wanted Calvin Johnson.
Next season they took McFadden.

Now, had they done what I wanted, they still wouldn't have a QB(as Leinart was almost as bad as Russell) but, by taking Leinart, they don't take Russell.   So now they take Johnson.   Much better to have Johnson/McFadden. 
3/23/2012 10:35 AM
49ers took Smith #1 overall. The next 22 teams went non-QB. Then came a guy named Rodgers, arguably the best QB in the game today. I'm sure at least 18 of those teams would take Rodgers now, if they had it to do over. Many teams have stories about missed picks
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