where do they get these ratings? Topic

norbert or someone,

how do you come up with the ratings? for example, the 61 sd chargers have 10 more ints than any other team in history, but they don't have the highest int rating. also, a few things look screwy on qb's and other positions. some qb's have fewer ints than others, but have a lower int rating. i was just curious how someone came up with these ratings.
1/28/2005 11:14 PM
Good Question man.
1/29/2005 12:00 PM
ack, i just replies to you through sitemail.
1/30/2005 2:12 AM
hi norbert, can you post here how you came up w/ the ratings?
1/30/2005 6:11 PM
Originally, the ratings were going to serve two purposes. One was to even the field across all eras so that we don't have the differences in the game affecting who plays well in the sim. The other was to introduce created players (i.e. rookies) like Baseball and Hockey have, but after looking at how that would affect the game, we decided to stick with historical players.

When we introduced the 60s teams into the mix, it was obvious that the stats, especially for passing, were going to cause some issues with the engine. Since the passing game was mostly longer passes than today, it meant lower completions and higher INTs. So 60s QBs were quite worthless in SimLeagues. On the other hand, the 60s Defenses were quite strong. You can even see some differences across the 70s and 80s. Running games were pretty much the same with a few bumps here and there.

Anyway, we decided to go with ratings as a tool to compare football across the decades. We figured this would be easy to use in the engine as well as easy for users to compare the players. The higher the rating the better.

How did we calculate the ratings? Well, we certainly didn't go through the thousands of players and set them manually. We looked at the distribution of stats for certain players for each season, finding an average performance and the spread of bad to good. From this we rated the average players with average stats at 50 and calculated ratings for the other players based on the stats for that season. The average and spread was kept fairly close from season to season, but there are some cases where there was a hard shift in the stats, either from rules or the game changing.

Anyway, what we wanted was to keep the top players from the 60s, 70s, and 80s comparable to the players of today. What If Johnny U. played for the '95 49ers? Well, his completion percentage would be better and his yds/completion would not be as high. Also for receivers, they didn't have quite as many catches, simply because there weren't as many completions, so we also wanted to allow them a fair shot at performing in today's game. Amazingly, the running game is pretty much the same from the 60s to today, so the ratings are fairly close to comparing hard stats. But it was much different when we start looking in the 40s and 50s, so we might break from that when we introduce those players. The same thing goes for the Defenses. Arguably the top historical defenses were not the top defenses in the sim.

One quick thing about the passing ratings. In the new ratings we take into account completion percentage combined with yds/comp. Before it was just comp %, which did not take into account more aggressive passing games. The assumption is that a high %/ low ydg QB may be the same as a low %/ high ydg QB if they played the same type of game. Of course, there may be exceptions to this rule, but for the most part it works.

FG and punting ratings were a little different than the "50 = average" rules. Punting is straight up comparison of yds/punt, so there is no difference between 45 yds/punt in 1960 or 2000. FG ratings are similar in that they are not adjusted across seasons, but they are different than the old way of breaking out the different FGM % into ranges. The FGM for the 50+ really could not be used straight up. You had 100% guys that may have made a couple 50+ FGs and now that would mean they would make every one? You also have kickers that were like 66%, which was basically 2 out of 3 kicks. There were also some weird %s in the middle ranges if someone had few kicks for that range. The kick ratings provide a more consistent performance.

Well, that's a lot about the ratings. If there are any more questions, I'll be glad to answer them.
1/30/2005 7:48 PM
One more thing. Since the engine plays the game like today's game, today's players should perform fairly close to their statistical performance. If you want to get a good idea of what to expect for an older player, look at one of today's players with similar stats. Eventually, I think people will come to know what to expect just by looking at the ratings and looking at how similar rated players performed for them in the sim.
1/30/2005 7:54 PM
Thank You ,this was nice to read man.
1/31/2005 12:43 PM
great read norbert. thanks.

do u have a summary of what each rating means. granted, some ratings can be eaily figured out just by looking at the name (e.g. defense sack rating and qa pass accuracy). however, a few aren't so easy. for example, what is the exact meaning of "qa pass stamina" and "defense drive"?

1/31/2005 9:28 PM
thanks, norbert! you answered my question. what is considered a conservative pass and what is aggressive? it would be nice if we had a yardage listed for these passes instead of just a description. thanks,

1/31/2005 10:18 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By jaisonline on 1/31/2005
for example, what is the exact meaning of "qa pass stamina" and "defense drive"?

i am guessing you mean qb pass stamina - if so, it is how many passes a qb can attempt in a game before getting tired and losing production. a higher passing stamina = more pass attempts.

defense drive is how well that particular defense will do with ball control. a higher rating will mean more 3 and outs for the offense, while a lower rating will allow the offensive team to move down field against them easier.
1/31/2005 11:03 PM
thanks glen. i looked for that iinfo in the faq section but it's not there yet.
2/2/2005 9:47 PM
I don't understand how we are supposed to know when a player is tired or being "abused". Since apparently the actual stats of older players can't be used as a judge, and there is no fatigue meter any more, how do I know when someone is tired?

The stamina rating is no practical help. For example, what does a run stamina of 90 mean? Is that 30 carries/game? Same with passing.
3/26/2005 10:48 PM
Seasonal fatigue is not an issue any more, for now. A player is pretty much rested for each game. In-game fatigue/abuse is the only thing you need to worry about. The best way to figure number of plays for the older players is to compare his Stamina Ratings to a newer player. Eventually, you will be able to look at Staminas and know what to expect.

Run Stamina is fairly close to actual carries across the seasons. For instance, Jim Brown averaged something like 20 carries per game, but his Stamina is set at around 23 carries per game. Not a big difference. The biggest discrepancies are in Passing and Receiving. There is a quick rule I use for Rec Stamina and that is the stamina rating is roughly the number of recs to expect from that player if they played a full season. It's not exactly correct, but it's close.
3/29/2005 12:30 PM
Thanks for the info.
3/29/2005 8:53 PM
good info.....
4/28/2005 10:11 AM
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