3B Defense Question Topic

wonker
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If someone held a gun to your head and offense didn't factor in, which defense would you choose to play 3B:

C / A-   (.948 Fld % / 3.33 Range)
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A / D-   (.969 / 2.62)

EDIT:  Option #3    B / C-  (.958 / 2.95)


Would it matter if your pitching staff was middle-of-the-road?  Good??  Bad???
12/4/2012 4:22 PM (edited)
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It would depend on how bad the D- was. Are we talking statuesque? I would probably take the A/D- guy unless I had really good range at the rest of my infield spots. 

If I had bad pitching OAV, I might be more inclined for the C/A- guy, but I don't think that will generate enough + plays to really matter, and the range/errors for the 2 guys are probably close to even.
12/4/2012 4:11 PM
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thanks for the quick answer, jf!  I think I must have plugged in the actual fielding numbers while you were typing.

If you check in on this again, let me know your thoughts after seeing the additional info.  Thanks!
12/4/2012 4:21 PM
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Yeah, given those numbers, I don't think that's a horrendous D-, nor is it a strong A-, so I'll take the A/D- guy.

I think I'd take the B/C- guy over the C/A- guy too.
12/4/2012 4:29 PM
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Posted by wonker on 12/4/2012 4:22:00 PM (view original):
If someone held a gun to your head and offense didn't factor in, which defense would you choose to play 3B:

C / A-   (.948 Fld % / 3.33 Range)
  or
A / D-   (.969 / 2.62)

EDIT:  Option #3    B / C-  (.958 / 2.95)


Would it matter if your pitching staff was middle-of-the-road?  Good??  Bad???
I'd choose C/A-
range fld% errors +/- RF
A- 0.948 27.378 16 3.250
D- 0.969 16.322 -20 3.250
C- 0.958 22.113 -8 3.250


12/4/2012 6:57 PM
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Posted by jfranco77 on 12/4/2012 4:29:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, given those numbers, I don't think that's a horrendous D-, nor is it a strong A-, so I'll take the A/D- guy.

I think I'd take the B/C- guy over the C/A- guy too.
^This.   It seems that fielding the ball cleanly at 3b better than the range.  I havent seen enough + or - plays at 3b either  way, but have seen a crap-ton of errors, thank you denny lyons
12/4/2012 7:56 PM
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I'd definitely go with A/D- fielder.   limiting errors is more important than the +/- IMO.   The better fielder becomes more important if you have old time pitchers.    I'd rank them

A/D-
B/C-
C/A-

12/5/2012 11:55 AM
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For infielders, errors and - plays are approximately equal.  There is going to be more of a difference in +/- plays between D- and A- range than the erros difference between .969 and .948 at 3B.
12/5/2012 8:01 PM
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I looked at the performance histories of 1977 Enos Cabell (948 Fld % / 3.33 Range), 1972 Richie Hebner (.969 / 2.62) and 1978 Enos Cambell (.958 / 2.95) and the answer (at least for OLs) came as a big surprise:

     (1) 1977 Enos Cabell (C/A-)
     (2) 1978 Enos Cabell (B/ C-)
     (3) 1972 Richie Hebner (A/ D-)

By the way, it wasn't even that close.  However, keep in mind this can change depending on your pitching staff.

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However, given offense, I probably go
    (1) 1972 Richie Hebner (defensive adjusted line of .304/.372/.455, saves $24K on pitching) 
    (2) 1977 Enos Cabell (.294/ .322/ .433/ $76Kp)
    (3) 1978 Enos Cabell (.305/ .326/ .391/ $48Kp)
12/6/2012 1:23 AM (edited)
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Interesting. Put Richie Hebner in the right ball park and he will hit a lot of HRs too. I have used him on some teams where I didn't care about defense. 
12/6/2012 5:31 AM
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