# Diminishing Returns O/D Topic

I know there are diminishing returns when it comes to practicing the player attributes, are there also for O/D?

How many minutes would be too much and just be wasting the minutes, how much to maximize growth for IQs?
12/21/2012 5:21 PM
I don't know when you get diminishing returns on IQ minutes but I am also sure it doesn't really matter.  The more minutes you put into IQ, the less minutes you have for individual skills.

I can tell you this.  I have noticed a significant difference when I switch between 15 and 20 minutes of IQ practice.  I also have notice that I RARELY have A+ IQ's even when I use 20 minutes for 4 years in a row.   I have played teams with 3 and 4 A+'s at least reasonably frequently(but almost always in the tournament), so I think 25 minutes for 4 years will get you to A+.

I think it isn't worth it to go above 25 but if there is diminishing returns it is above that threshold.
12/21/2012 5:52 PM
I think diminishing returns is 30+.
12/21/2012 8:39 PM
Posted by Trentonjoe on 12/21/2012 5:52:00 PM (view original):
I don't know when you get diminishing returns on IQ minutes but I am also sure it doesn't really matter.  The more minutes you put into IQ, the less minutes you have for individual skills.

I can tell you this.  I have noticed a significant difference when I switch between 15 and 20 minutes of IQ practice.  I also have notice that I RARELY have A+ IQ's even when I use 20 minutes for 4 years in a row.   I have played teams with 3 and 4 A+'s at least reasonably frequently(but almost always in the tournament), so I think 25 minutes for 4 years will get you to A+.

I think it isn't worth it to go above 25 but if there is diminishing returns it is above that threshold.
I don't understand the first sentence. Of course it matters.

Also, I think diminishing returns comes below that threshold. Iguana would likely have the #'s on that.

12/21/2012 9:06 PM
If it is above 30 it doesn't mater BECAUSE it's not worth doing.   If you are pumping 40 minutes of time into IQ, you're losing to much in skill practice.

12/22/2012 9:20 AM
Depends on how your team is built too. A BCS all underclass team with 800+ rated fresh & sophs could use as much off/def as they could get.
12/22/2012 2:51 PM
conventional wisdom has been that diminishing returns kick in somewhere around 25 mins - now it could be that there is a tiny reduction in effectiveness below that level - like maybe minute 25 is worth 0.99999 what minute 24 is worth.  And, I bet that minute 26 is not all that much less valuable than minute 25
12/22/2012 4:52 PM
I'd guess there is a slight diminishing return as low as 15 minutes.

Although it really doesn't amount to much until you reach 20-25+
12/22/2012 5:33 PM
iguana, i thought you showed data that proven diminishing returns kicked in from the beginning. like, if you practice 5m for 2 seasons, you get further than 10m for 1 season.
12/22/2012 9:29 PM
But if there were such data does it control for stuff like minutes played etc?
12/22/2012 11:23 PM
Diminishing Returns O/D Topic