Silent Auction Draft - Season 2 Rules Discussion Topic

Also, FWIW, I already have my draft category decided.
1/18/2013 4:43 PM
Posted by flyingman on 1/18/2013 4:43:00 PM (view original):
Also, FWIW, I already have my draft category decided.
I already have my six draft categories decided...

Wha? I get two at MOST? Nuts!!!
1/18/2013 4:52 PM
This has been my favorite league since joining WIS!!!!
1/18/2013 4:58 PM
I too have been playing around with some categories.  Got some really good ones...
1/18/2013 5:02 PM
Why don't we have the 16 owners in Season 1 create 25 categories each, and we will play 16 different leagues!  ;)
1/18/2013 5:34 PM
Posted by flyingman on 1/18/2013 4:33:00 PM (view original):
And speaking of SP categories, should we explore having rules explicitly stating that there's only up to 3 or 4 SP only categories? If we have six or seven starting pitchers on our roster it's easy to cobble together a good 4 or 5 man rotation without much effort. Of course this goes back to the original point that now that we're better at knowing what is a good category and what isn't, maybe this problem will resolve itself organically.
The benefit of having more than 4 is that it adds an extra layer of strategy to the allocation of points - which ones do you make a play at? Particularly if there are both good and terrible players in all (say) 6 categories.

My one real suggestion for this league is that it should be run with a DH.
1/18/2013 9:36 PM
Ugh!  I hate the DH! 

Besides my moral opposition to the abomination, in a league like this it's like a free pass - sure, take that good-hitting-poor-fielding outfielder, you can always DH him if a better selection comes along later in another category ...
1/19/2013 3:56 AM
I DH. In fact, i think i will write a letter to Selig right now. Away with the DH FOREVER!!!!!!!
1/19/2013 7:26 AM
I'm pretty ambivalent toward the DH in MLB.

In the Sim? I loathe it.

With mixed categories like this example's '78 Yankees, you can make a run at Guidry as well if you want to unbalance the allocation of points.

1/19/2013 10:24 AM
Reminds me of an old joke:
Two old friends are life-long baseball fanatics. They promise each other that whoever dies first will come back and tell the other if there is baseball in heaven. Years go by, and one of the friends passes on. About a month later, the survivor is sitting in his den when lo and behold, his deceased buddy appears.

“You came back! Tell me, is there baseball in heaven?”

The friend replies “Yes, but I have some bad news.”

“Oh no, please don’t tell me they play on artificial turf.”

“No, no, no … beautiful, perfectly-manicured natural grass on all the fields.”

“Well, is it the lights?”

“Not a one to be found! Every game is played under beautiful sunlight as if it were late spring.”

“Is it … is it the DH? I could take playing under the lights on turf, as long as there’s no DH!”

“Not to worry; nine men field, nine men bat. There’s no DH in heaven.”

“Well, then, what’s the bad news?”

“You’re starting at third next Tuesday.” 
1/19/2013 12:23 PM
The DH was something I wish we'd had as I was building my team, but that was just to cover my drafting shortcomings. In looking forward, I'd again say no DH because it adds to those decisions and choices we have to make when bidding/drafting. Having the DH takes away from that.
1/19/2013 1:49 PM
Mainly I suggested the DH because it means having to care about drafting 9 positions rather than 8, and adds value to more of your IP.
1/19/2013 7:35 PM
I think people will bid more on their stadium if it is the last one drafted than if it is the first. If first, they know if they don't get what they wanted, they can craft a team that suits it better. But if last, knowing you already will have your team when the stadium draft comes, you will want to have an early pick to make sure you get the right one.
1/19/2013 11:18 PM
And no to the DH. It makes everything too easy. I thought about this during our drafting and appreciated the necessity of deciding between offense and fielding. With a DH too many draft picks would have become automatic. I like having to think it through a little.
1/19/2013 11:20 PM
There have been a lot of ideas discussed; here they are in one long post (in no particular order) with – of course! – my views on them.
1.  16 or 24 teams. 16 was cool, but I think 24 would be even better. I’d recommend starting with a goal of 24 and cutting it to 16 like we did this time, if necessary.
2. Owner voting on categories. I know we don’t want a whole league of weak categories, or fifteen starting pitcher categories, but voting seems a little cumbersome. I’m all for giving the Commish the power to decide if a category is deep enough.
3.  Owners changing categories. A small point, but subsequent owners may have selected their categories based on what was already proposed, so there could be a domino effect. I know from last time that a lot of owners stated their categories with the preface ‘since we need X …’
4. Draft order based on cumulative bids. Not a fan of this one: there is strategy involved when ‘big’ categories come toward the end of the draft. Since the assumption is the best categories will be first, this proposal would mean the last two days would basically be bench players and maybe middle relievers; not very exciting.
5.  You can only bid a certain dollar amount once. Was this a problem? To me this takes away from bidding strategy: the more limits you put on how dollars can be allocated, the less flexibility and therefore less options. Also, with an improved mix of categories, the $1 bid strategy becomes much more risky - even more so if we have 24 teams.
6. Trades during/after the draft allowed, but only if categories are maintained. I’m fine with this, but I don’t see the need for putting limits on it. Why not be able to trade draft spots?   Why not be able to trade my outfielder from category A for your 2B from category B?
7. Categories must have from 16 to 25 players (obviously more if we do 24 teams). I agree; too much depth makes a category as meaningless as no depth. I’d be willing to let the Commish have leeway on this, though, to allow categories with a couple more selections if it doesn’t upset the balance. For example, if you have a category with 30 choices but five are $200k scrubs, that effectively is the same as a 25 player category.
8. Early drafting. I think we’re all for this; I’d extend the period to 4-5 days. The only thing that saved me on Day One, where I had to draft in all five categories, is that I’m off on Mondays; I never could have made my picks on time otherwise. Also, I’d suggest not determining what days the individual drafts are until after the Early Drafting: not knowing what day a draft is should speed up early drafting, as you won’t have the issue of wanting to wait to see how earlier drafts go. After the drafting, randomize the remaining categories over four or five days.
9. Add the category links to the individual draft pages. Please! This is more valuable than having a list of available players, at least to me.  

10. Pre-determining categories – X number of starting pitchers, Y number middle infielders, etc. While we had some positional unevenness this time, I don’t want that entirely to go away: sweating out 2B added a bit of drama for a lot of us! However, too many SPs was a problem. I’m all for giving the Commissioner the power to ‘guide’ owners as the league fills. Once we get a certain number of SP categories, the Commish can tell new sign-ups that their category can’t be an SP one (although something like the ’78 Yankee category would still be OK).
11. Drafting on a weekend day. It’s really a matter of everyone’s schedules; the actual days become less important the longer the Early Drafting period is.
12. High bidder determines draft day.  As in #8 above, I’m a fan of randomizing draft days. You also avoid the ‘everyone wants their category on Friday’ issue.

13. Add a stadium draft. Definitely adds to the drama. Arguments can be made for selecting stadiums before or after the regular draft, I’m cool with either. Rather than have the Commish select, though, I’d like each owner to nominate a stadium – and again, if there’s an imbalance (all pitcher parks, for example) the Commish can tell later signups their park has to be hitter-friendly. I’d add a 17th (or 25th) park, WIS Field, just so you don’t get totally screwed and can at least have a neutral park, but that may be too much of a safety net.

14. Add the DH. Please no …

OK, I think that’s all the suggestions so far. Thanks for letting me be pedantic.
1/20/2013 1:21 PM
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