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2/15/2013 11:28 PM (edited)
I am just about to finish a league using Coors.  I only drafted 1204 quality IP, I am into my last three games with everyone at 100% and my AAA set to finish off the season.  Admittedly my competition was weak, but I made it through the season with plenty of breathing room.

I think this goes a long way in showing that if managed correctly, you don't need more than 1200ip in OLs



NAME YEAR SIM IP ACT IP SIM ERA ER
DRAFTED QUALITY ____ ______ ______ _______ __
Joss, Addie 1908 344 342 2.67 102
McGinnity, Joe 1902 193 183 2.89 62
Shore, Ernie 1914 152 148 3.79 64
Wright, Rasty 1918 152 148 5.33 90
Steele, Elmer 1908 114 125 3.80 48
Nehf, Art 1919 111 119 2.20 27
Toney, Fred 1918 108 112 3.24 39
Cooney, Johnny 1922 16 27 1.65 3
Sub Total - 1190 1204 3.29 435
           
AAA ____ ______ ______ _______ __
Harvey Bailey (P) 1899 73 93 5.92 48
Ray Kolp (P) 1934 42 67 22.25 103
Sub Total - 115 160 11.86 151
Running total - 1305 1364 4.04 586
           
SCRUBS ____ ______ ______ _______ __
Shaw, Dupee 1888 28 31 17.04 53
Pettibone, Jay 1983 27 27 9.22 28
Parque, Jim 2001 24 28 25.88 69
Redding, Phil 1912 23 27 9.78 25
Rose, Chuck 1909 22 28 18.82 46
Sub Total - 124 141 16.00 221
Running total - 1429 1505 5.08 807
           
WW PICKUP ____ ______ ______ _______ __
MacDougal, Mike 2006 5 29 0 0
           
GRAND TOTAL - 1435 1534 5.06 807



2/14/2013 3:37 PM
Interesting. You did much better on the road than at home.
2/14/2013 7:49 PM
I'm constantly amazed by managers drafting <1250 innings.  I've tried a few times but I always run into major fatigue issues.  Of course, it's during those seasons I get pretty much unuseable AAA pitchers. 

My hat's off to anyone who can pull this off, you are a much better manager than me....especially in Coors!!
2/15/2013 1:23 AM
Posted by pfattkatt on 2/14/2013 3:37:00 PM (view original):
Interesting. You did much better on the road than at home.
Yeah.  I think I had too much obp and not enough slugging.  It is my first go in Coors.
2/15/2013 6:23 AM
Did you start the "scrubs" or were they all mopup?
2/15/2013 11:26 PM (edited)
Posted by Trentonjoe on 2/15/2013 6:23:00 AM (view original):
Did you start the "scrubs" or were they all mopup?
I started scrubes in 16 games and won 1.  In all cases I maxed their PC at 170 and only had another scrub or AAA available as a mop-up.  I also almost only used AAA and scrubs in the field in such games.

My AAA started 13 games and won 2.  In most cases I only had mop-ups and "B" types available when my AAA pitched.
2/15/2013 11:42 PM
Posted by redsox1966 on 2/14/2013 7:49:00 PM (view original):
I'm constantly amazed by managers drafting <1250 innings.  I've tried a few times but I always run into major fatigue issues.  Of course, it's during those seasons I get pretty much unuseable AAA pitchers. 

My hat's off to anyone who can pull this off, you are a much better manager than me....especially in Coors!!
I am unsure there is such a thing as an unusable player.  All players, especially pitchers, have uses.  If nothing else they eat innings or IPs so you can rest your quality players.
2/16/2013 5:38 AM
So you only need 1200 IP if you throw away 30 games.   How many IP would you need if you used this plan in a pitcher neutral field.
2/16/2013 9:55 AM
I have played numerous OL seasons at Coors with 1200-1250 IP, making the playoffs regularly, without much of an issue with fatigue. I also draft only the minimum PAs without fatigue issues; there are so many blowouts that AAA guys play a lot to rest the starters...
2/16/2013 10:11 PM
Posted by Trentonjoe on 2/16/2013 5:38:00 AM (view original):
So you only need 1200 IP if you throw away 30 games.   How many IP would you need if you used this plan in a pitcher neutral field.
I'm not sure, but before the last update, I played Safeco once without fatigue issues on <1000ip (quality ip that is).
2/17/2013 3:43 PM
Posted by Trentonjoe on 2/16/2013 5:38:00 AM (view original):
So you only need 1200 IP if you throw away 30 games.   How many IP would you need if you used this plan in a pitcher neutral field.
Between 1000 and 1050.   In an OL I would probably go with less than 1000 if they let me. Mostly because if your team is good enough you don't need a fourth starter in a 4 man rotation.  The 3 guys would be fine in the playoffs.
2/17/2013 5:10 PM
Posted by crimsonblue on 2/17/2013 3:43:00 PM (view original):
Posted by Trentonjoe on 2/16/2013 5:38:00 AM (view original):
So you only need 1200 IP if you throw away 30 games.   How many IP would you need if you used this plan in a pitcher neutral field.
Between 1000 and 1050.   In an OL I would probably go with less than 1000 if they let me. Mostly because if your team is good enough you don't need a fourth starter in a 4 man rotation.  The 3 guys would be fine in the playoffs.
This was how the fatigue strategy started. I first posted a thread detailing how to put together a winning season with less than 1,000 IP (total, not just quality, but with the changes, implemented, you have to do quality now) and then I stretched it further and had a thread on how to win with less than 800 IP (again, total). My TOC winning fatigue team had somewhere around 830 total IP. Swept the playoffs and went 17-1 in the TOC, only losing the 1st game as I rested my starters to safegaurd against fatigue.

The broken fatigue model based fatigue strategy was replaced by a platoon strategy that uses the same principles. It's all about controlling losses. You could probably build the exact same team I had then with a couple of players downgraded a touch to add in the minimum required IP & PA and do just as well with ~800 quality IP and 400 scrub IP if you controlled your losses well.

2/18/2013 4:39 AM (edited)
Your pitching staff looks very familiar to what I used a few years ago when I still played open leagues more than 2-3 times a year.  I never put them in Coors or any big hitters' parks though...mainly Polo Grounds and similar parks.  Nice job!
2/23/2013 4:35 PM
Woo-hoo.  With a seven game World Series Victory, I earned my Coors Wings!
2/27/2013 12:19 AM
Posted by zubinsum on 2/23/2013 4:35:00 PM (view original):
Woo-hoo.  With a seven game World Series Victory, I earned my Coors Wings!
I've had a ton of Coors OL teams...make playoffs, maybe make the WS...never won it all.

I switched to a cookie team of guys like Dilone, Bip, Raines, Vizquel, etc. and played in stadiums other than Coors and promptly won 3 WS in a row.

My hat's off to you for "earning your Coors wings" - no easy task.
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