Posted by tarvolon on 3/6/2013 3:37:00 PM (view original):
I'm not sure, but I have jotted down some notes from the past (same team, so apples to apples as far as what defense they face, etc):
From my Maryville team a couple seasons back:
Guard A: 58 SPD, 46 BH, 97 PER. 47.0% as a sophomore, 47.6% as a junior, 49.5% as a senior
Guard B: 47 SPD, 54 BH, 83 PER. 44.8% as a sophomore, 47.0% as a junior, 39.8% as a senior
Guard C: 81 SPD, 65 BH, 72 PER. 36.3% as a sophomore, 39.9% as a junior
A was a SG his whole career, C was a point guard his whole career. B played SG for two years and then split between SG and PG his senior year. A had the highest distro of the three
From my Whitworth team last year
Ware: 92 SPD, 72 BH, 93 PER. 34.7% as a junior, 39.3% as a senior
Gilyard: 54 SPD, 57 BH, 89 PER. 39.3% as a junior, 41.5% as a senior
Ware came off the bench at PG, Gilyard played SF. Distro was the same.
From my Kentucky Wesleyan team last year
Cullens: 57 SPD, 72 BH, 82 PER, 41.1% as a sophomore, 47.8% as a junior so far
Stanhope: 50 SPD, 76 BH, 90 PER. 39.1% as a junior, still under 100 attempts as a senior (but shooting 49%)
Neither play PG. Cullens has more distro.
I only included folks with 100 or more attempts, and I obviously listed the stats that people think affect three-point shooting. I can draw no conclusions except that PER is important and not-being-a-PG is important.
per your request in the other thread, here is my take on your info here. first and foremost, there are SO many factors that play into the success of a particular player, on offense, the data here doesnt even come close to capturing all the factors at work. with so much missing, its basically impossible to deduce anything from this data. the strength of your schedule and the strength of the rest of your team on offense are massive factors, which makes comparing data from one season to the next EXTREMELY difficult and dangerous. when i was working to build my press based systems back when i was a young coach playing really hard, i would build almost the same team over and over, playing almost the same schedule over and over, and STILL found it very hard to wrestle with the season to season variation.
were guards A, B, and C all sophs together? even if so, "apples to apples" doesnt tell you what kind of apples you have! a high per, low spd/bh (leaving out ath, lp, and iq makes these comparisons somewhat meaningless) type guard is going to be *much* more effective playing against weaker opponents. so a player like guard A putting up better numbers than guard B can mean very different things, even being on the same team, with the same team mates, with the same opponents. additionally, is that just fg% you are listing? or 3pt%? the thread is about 3pt% but those figures are pretty high for 3pt%. still, when comparing fg% OR 3pt%, the # of shots taken, minutes played, and the assortment of shots, are all important.
so to recap - to effectively compare the performance of players, you'd need to look at a large number of things. with only half the players' relevant ratings (i guess LP is not as important if you are talking 3pt%!), with only half of their relevant stats, without the game settings you used, without knowing the strength of opponents, and without knowing the look and feel of your team, its going to be basically impossible to make ANY meaningful comparison or conclusions. one of the biggest mistakes coaches make is drawing conclusions on data when substantial factors are missing, and so rather than try to draw conclusions on the incomplete data, i thought it was more pertinent to point out how incomplete the data was - and thus, why you cannot draw conclusions.