DOMA & Prop 8 Topic

Posted by tecwrg on 9/5/2013 10:58:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/5/2013 5:27:00 PM (view original):
It really doesn't matter what the bible says, we don't live in a theocracy.
BWA HA HA dont ya just hate sites that want to get smart with you bc you tried to link to their image? im sure as hail not visiting their site bc they hijacked their own image
9/6/2013 11:19 AM
LOL @ both BL and that graphic

I DID go to their site and discovered its designed to be something like wikipedia.  The problem is that its completely biased and seems to be put together both by and for unintelligent athiesitc people to forward the atheist agenda.

9/6/2013 11:51 AM
I thought you said you were atheist?
9/6/2013 10:06 PM
When did I say I was atheist?
9/7/2013 12:14 PM
Pretty sure you said you were.
9/7/2013 1:28 PM
No, he said he's a socialist. His young earth nonsense comes from a literal interpretation of the Bible.
9/7/2013 2:03 PM
Pretty sure you said you were.

No, I never said I was an atheist, so you're wrong, BL. Nothing new there.
No, he said he's a socialist.

Of course I'm a socialist. It's the only economic system that comes anywhere close to being ideal, and its chief issues could easily be resolved with joining being voluntary and a failure to do your part meaning you get kicked out. Plenty of people would join (those who are poor would instantly become middle-class, and that's a heck of an incentive to join), and anyone who values this wouldn't dare shirk what they need to do because then they'd have to go back to a capitalist environment where they once again are subjugated to the wealthy.

It'll never happen because the capitalist regime won't allow it, but if it was successful, it would bring capitalism to its knees. Who in their right mind would work some hard job for minimum wage while the business owner makes a killing when they can join a community where everyone is equal and stay there as long as they do their part? Without the poor people to do the grunt work for the wealthy business owners, their businesses will fail.
His young earth nonsense comes from a literal interpretation of the Bible.

I don't have any such "young earth nonsense". The ONLY reference I've ever made to the age of the earth is to say that there is not enough information to make an accurate determination, which prompted a bunch of sheep to argue otherwise and get all frustrated when I said I don't care.

None of it has to do with the bible or any interpretation of it. Looks like someone else besides BL is wrong, but again for genghis this is nothing new.
9/7/2013 4:35 PM
That's not what you said. You said a young earth was equally as likely as an old one.
9/7/2013 5:22 PM
What is a young earth vs an old one?
9/7/2013 5:27 PM
Bis thinks the earth could be 10,000 years old.
9/7/2013 6:03 PM
I don't think so. The Bible says a day to God is like 10,000 years. A poetic way of saying there is no time to the Creator. What is a day then? Only God knows.
9/7/2013 6:41 PM
Regardless of what the bible says, the earth is billions of years old.
9/7/2013 7:38 PM
I love how the discussion here goes everywhere.  Bis, I also love your thoughts on communism.  I am definitely a communist at heart too.  This capitalist crap certainly isnt working for most people.  It sure is for the top 10% or so.  And its really really not for the bottom 50.  But most people (sheeple) think its great.  Shows the ability for independent thought today amongst the the great masses.  To be clear I dont think the USSR or China had/have it right.  Their systems are/were as broken as Americas.  I dont think it is possible to have the ultimate communist/socialist system, because there are too many people willing to do anything to take and or keep power, humans generally suck is what it boils down to.  I suppose the best real world solution is a combination of the two, a mix of Canada, Sweden, New Zealand and Germany would be IMHO for me anyways as close to my dream society that I think is realistic in this point of our history.

As for the age of the Earth, obviously nobody can know the definite answer to that, but I certainly believe in billions of years old, all evidence that I put stock in points to that.

9/8/2013 11:59 AM
Thank You. 

And that brings us to the 5000 year leap.

The most important thing in any society is function and survival in co-ordination of a contented people willing and educated and free enough to not only understand but to be able to participate in the governing of their family, locality and nation.

Fast forward to the extremes - Tyranny and Anarchy. For arguments sake, let us agree that neither is desirable. Tyranny leaves no room for the individual and Anarchy leaves no room for organization and law. There must be a place in the center. Any system which favors a ruler or minority class denies the people and any system which allows for no rule of law or oversight is destructive to every individual lest those who survive day to day. Therefore an intelligent people desire neither a government where all power is held in the hand of the ruler or a system of anarchy where all power is in the hands of the people without any structure or foresight.

Marcus Tullius Cicero was a Greek born under Roman rule. Plato and Aristotle had gone before him as great philosophers. Cicero poked holes in the incomplete groundwork of his predecessors by acknowledging the already known and understood concept of Natural Law. Natural Law is the combination of of the common sense or right conduct inherent in any person along with the understanding that A Creator allowed for this miracle and as sons of God he too possessed and dispensed this knowledge. It is the divine gift of reason tempered with love and understanding within the framework of a functional and fair commonwealth shared and administered by all.

The ancient Jews (before Kings) had a law similar to Anglo-Saxon Common Law. This common thread inherent in other long since forgotten tribes crossed effortlessly from east and west. It is no accident Cicero lived in the time of Christ or our founders of this Republic were the direct offspring of a Common Law which lead the conquers of the Island to gently acquire the notion passed onto them by the inhabitants.

At the time of Cicero, the Romans had combined parts of Greek law and incorporated it into their own. Cesar forever destroyed the senate and was murdered. Cicero was murdered one year later. It would take 1200 years to revive the notion in the west.

NEXT: The concept of balanced government.
9/8/2013 3:30 PM
A BALANCED GOVERNMENT: Don't fiddle with the Oreo middle.

Any government begins with the family. It is the engine and  mass of all movement and will respond to all influence forced or otherwise. The family is at the bottom of any structure of government, yet it is the single most important part. The family determines all entities over it. When abused, it will discontinue to function in a positive or productive way. It will survive out of necessity to the state or through attrition. It will survive unless completely eliminated...which evidently some in the world now think is preferable. 

The modern concept of a functioning balanced government began right here in the United States. We took our ideas from Cicero and the first Republic and Anglo-Saxon law. The Magna Carta. The Parliament and Assembly. Two Houses. Local representation. A leader. Much like the Roman Republic before it was destroyed. We call it the three headed eagle.

On the bottom is the family. The family elects the township. The township determines the county government. The county determines the State and the State elects the Federal. The Federal is divided into three heads. Each equal and answerable to the other. The center is the Legislative branch. Unlike a pure democracy which leads to anarchy, we are a Republic with representation. This allows for the everyday working man to produce for family and common good while allowing the elected representatives reflect his desire on a state and national level. On the one side of this is the Executive. A strong leader. Not a King. A co-ordinator subject to the will of the people and removable at a whim under law. The other side is the Judicial. They are there to protect the Constitution should the legislators or executive step away from our peoples contract.

The three headed eagle is steered by two wings. The problem solving or liberal wing introduces legislation to correct perceived wrongs. The conservative wing is a reactionary wing to analyze the first wing. Can we afford it? What will it do to the rights and individual freedoms of people?

This far into the revolution the lines have been blurred. The current clowns representing us are not up to the task. They are representative of the people they created. We no longer rule from the bottom up but lately it is top down. I blame the educational system which has been co-opted. Our children no longer get the basic knowledge needed to function or maintain this level of self governance. The federal hand has been overplayed. We cannot support it. It has destroyed input from the family and local institutions. Natural Law isn't taught. The founders are ridiculed and replaced with failed European systems. Our founding is unique. To deny it is folly. It's time to hit the reset button or drift to destruction. 

NEXT: The Great minds and 28 Principles.

9/8/2013 7:07 PM (edited)
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