the real scandal in HD - firings Topic

This game could be a bunch better if the firing logic was better tuned.  It currently allows a coach to hang around at elite and near-elite schools with a mediocre record.

I've done that and felt guilty

Should a coach feel an obligation to fire himself after a long period of performance that would not be satisfactory in the real world?

4/26/2013 8:22 AM
is this in response to my leaving state? ;)
4/26/2013 8:31 AM
I've wondered this as well.  Was in the Pac10 with a coach who was at Oregon State for 24 seasons and only had 2 PI first round appearances and 1 PI second round appearance.
4/26/2013 8:43 AM
no, leaving? State?  never give up, never surrender!
4/26/2013 8:43 AM
i'm bored. 40 seasons is a long time, and i'm not getting any closer to (or further from) any accomplishments.      
4/26/2013 9:37 AM
Firings definitely need to be ramped up. Not to the point where if you don't make the Elite Eight every 4-5 seasons at an A+ school you're fired or anything drastic like that. I understand that WIS has a fine line to tread between realism and keeping customers happy. But when a coach can go 14 consecutive seasons at an elite A+ baseline school without even making it to the NT a single time and 22 consecutive seasons without winning a single game in the NT, and still keep his job (this is an actual example in HD), then the firing logic is clearly too lenient.

4/26/2013 12:24 PM
Firings need to be ramped up, maybe along with softening job qualification rights slightly. that way if you get fired, redemption is more realistic.
4/26/2013 12:31 PM
agreed! Lets talk about things that actually need to be fixed....this is definitely one of them. 

I'm surprised by how little fun D1 really is. 

1. It's unrealistic for mid-majors to be that much inferior to the major programs (that doesn't mirror RL)
2. Coaches just about never get fired, so there's rarely any good D1 big-6 openings. 

I know that CS doesn't want many firings due to coach retainment - but if the fired coaches still had realistic chances at mid-level D1 programs, and mid-level D1 programs wouldn't be so miserable to coach, that would make things  more reasonable. 
4/26/2013 12:55 PM
I think not only firings, but prestige (which I think has something to do with firings) needs to be adjusted.  Being able to keep a B prestige by doing nothing but getting to the PI every once in a while or a 1 and done in the NT every 5 or 6 seasons should not warrant a B prestige. 
4/26/2013 2:36 PM
Prestige was just recently adjusted wasn't it? The only schools that could do what you are describing would have to be  Big 6 schools so I know some adjustment was made for that recently. Totally agree that firings should be increased though so a coach with this lack of success would get fired.
4/26/2013 3:58 PM
Yeah, that's Big 6...but that's also the main complaint about firings (Big 6).  I actually think (no evidence to prove it) that it'd be easier to get fired at a small conference since you're not getting the auto bump of higher prestige to save you.  Maybe I'm full of crap. 
4/26/2013 5:47 PM
This is a good thread. WIS's skittishness about offending long-time players (reluctance to fire being one example) will be the death of HD.
4/27/2013 1:33 PM
It is almost impossible to get fired anywhere.  This is especially true at Div-1.

I agree that firings should happen more frequently.

But, I think they happen to frequently in GridIron Dynasty.

Something in between what is currently in HD and what is currently in GD would be nice.

4/28/2013 12:11 PM
I think if Seble did a poll (as he did with the 2 teams in 1 world poll), he would find an overwhelming majority favor making firings more frequent.  Heck, I think most of the coaches that end up getting fired would agree with this.  As long as he made some efforts to keep them happy, say 1 season credit or something, it wouldn't really ruffle any feathers I think.  In one world, a big 6 coach has been at a school 22 seasons and never made the NT.  He has 5 PIT appearances, only past the 1st rd once.  I think you run a bigger risk alienating people for whom that might be a destination job (only reason I even noticed it) than you do getting that coach upset if he got fired.

Of course, Duke should have a tougher standard than Fresno state, but I doubt it would be too hard to work baseline prestige into the code to adjust firings.
4/28/2013 12:28 PM
I suspect you're right. But if there's a change in firing logic, it should definitely be accompanied by a change in hiring logic as well. Jobs shouldn't sit open because no one is qualified for them (except in really extreme cases)
4/28/2013 12:33 PM
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