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5/11/2013 5:59 PM (edited)
One of the best teams I've seen in the sim in terms of what many of us have targeted. Team is from most recent dh$52 league, went 42-40 and missed the playoffs on a tie-breaker. I have some ideas but also want to hear what other think.

The team had the following weighted averages for the actual minutes used:
D 76.58
orb% 40.21
dreb% 101.11
ast% 95.73

Note: 42-40 is not a "failure" per se since this is a difficult balanced league, but with advanced stats so high one would have expected this team to win 50-60 games.

Name Pos Usage% 2pt%# 3pt%# eFG% OReb% DReb% Ast% Stl% Blk%
08-09 Rajon Rondo PG 19.3 51.5 30.9 51.4 4.6 13.0 32.3 2.7 0.3
03-04 Jamaal Tinsley PG 17.6 47.0 37.2 51.8 2.3 8.8 31.6 3.0 0.8
95-96 Scottie Pippen SF 24.4 50.4 37.1 52.5 5.9 13.5 19.3 2.2 1.2
70-71 Tom Boerwinkle C 16.7 50.3 34.2 50.1 12.7 32.1 19.1 1.8 3.8
02-03 Kevin Garnett PF 26.5 51.6 28.1 50.8 8.0 26.5 18.6 1.6 2.2
72-73 Clifford Ray C 14.5 51.1 29.9 50.5 10.8 29.3 15.4 1.7 3.1
96-97 Chris Webber PF 24.6 53.4 39.5 54.3 9.7 19.7 14.6 2.0 2.9
95-96 Walt Williams SF 19.7 46.7 45.2 56.7 5.4 10.5 11.2 1.9 1.3
78-79 Steve Mix SF 20.9 56.5 34.9 56.4 9.1 14.1 10.5 1.7 0.7
07-08 Trevor Ariza SF 15.5 55.3 33.1 54.8 6.5 14.0 10.3 2.7 1.1
11-12 Jordan Hill PF 17.2 51.5 0.0 50.4 10.5 25.1 3.9 0.9 2.7
88-89 Roy Tarpley PF 24.1 54.0 0.0 54.1 14.0 24.3 3.5 2.0 2.7
5/11/2013 5:34 PM
Name GP GS Min Pts FGM FGA 3PM 3PA FTM FTA OReb Reb Ast TO Stl Blk PF
02-03 Kevin Garnett 82 82 3370 1901 791 1557 18 64 301 420 189 916 442 292 114 144 194
95-96 Scottie Pippen 82 82 2889 1532 575 1266 187 491 195 274 125 417 406 273 129 76 191
96-97 Chris Webber 82 82 2838 1523 651 1237 66 162 155 274 216 623 304 237 121 171 236
08-09 Rajon Rondo 82 82 2646 1023 439 895 16 55 129 203 79 331 632 216 150 12 176
70-71 Tom Boerwinkle 82 82 2398 863 354 706 18 57 137 196 255 804 339 168 84 175 254
72-73 Clifford Ray 82 0 1505 463 190 388 14 41 69 114 152 480 184 100 58 89 146
03-04 Jamaal Tinsley 82 0 1339 462 169 414 80 222 44 54 15 94 313 115 83 28 110
95-96 Walt Williams 74 0 800 338 126 293 61 136 25 41 33 102 89 59 35 19 73
88-89 Roy Tarpley 82 0 619 336 149 284 0 0 38 59 70 174 22 55 27 27 65
78-79 Steve Mix 82 0 601 327 128 236 15 40 56 59 46 114 60 43 32 8 63
11-12 Jordan Hill 82 0 519 198 86 183 0 6 26 38 37 114 14 28 10 20 69
07-08 Trevor Ariza 57 0 259 88 36 70 4 10 12 14 22 47 18 14 17 6 15
TOTALS 82     9054 3694 7529 479 1284 1187 1746 1239 4216 2823 1600 860 775 1592
OPPONENTS 82     9191 3585 7365 429 1134 1592 2094 1017 3897 2400 1415 938 784 1403
5/11/2013 5:37 PM
Name GP GS Min Pts FG% 3Pt% FT% OReb Reb Ast TO Stl Blk PF
02-03 Kevin Garnett 82 82 41.1 23.2 50.8 28.1 71.7 2.3 11.2 5.4 3.6 1.4 1.8 2.4
95-96 Scottie Pippen 82 82 35.2 18.7 45.4 38.1 71.2 1.5 5.1 5.0 3.3 1.6 0.9 2.3
96-97 Chris Webber 82 82 34.6 18.6 52.6 40.7 56.6 2.6 7.6 3.7 2.9 1.5 2.1 2.9
08-09 Rajon Rondo 82 82 32.3 12.5 49.1 29.1 63.5 1.0 4.0 7.7 2.6 1.8 0.1 2.1
70-71 Tom Boerwinkle 82 82 29.2 10.5 50.1 31.6 69.9 3.1 9.8 4.1 2.0 1.0 2.1 3.1
72-73 Clifford Ray 82 0 18.4 5.6 49.0 34.1 60.5 1.9 5.9 2.2 1.2 0.7 1.1 1.8
03-04 Jamaal Tinsley 82 0 16.3 5.6 40.8 36.0 81.5 0.2 1.1 3.8 1.4 1.0 0.3 1.3
95-96 Walt Williams 74 0 10.8 4.6 43.0 44.9 61.0 0.4 1.4 1.2 0.8 0.5 0.3 1.0
88-89 Roy Tarpley 82 0 7.5 4.1 52.5 0 64.4 0.9 2.1 0.3 0.7 0.3 0.3 0.8
78-79 Steve Mix 82 0 7.3 4.0 54.2 37.5 94.9 0.6 1.4 0.7 0.5 0.4 0.1 0.8
11-12 Jordan Hill 82 0 6.3 2.4 47.0 0.0 68.4 0.5 1.4 0.2 0.3 0.1 0.2 0.8
07-08 Trevor Ariza 57 0 4.5 1.5 51.4 40.0 85.7 0.4 0.8 0.3 0.2 0.3 0.1 0.3
TOTALS 82     110.4 49.1 37.3 68.0 15.1 51.4 34.4 19.5 10.5 9.5 19.4
OPPONENTS 82     112.1 48.7 37.8 76.0 12.4 47.5 29.3 17.3 11.4 9.6 17.1
5/11/2013 5:39 PM
seble has programmed a handicapping feature into my account, also **** is just random
5/11/2013 5:40 PM
RL Stats:
Name Pos GP Min Pts FGM FGA 3PM 3PA FTM FTA OReb Reb Ast TO Stl Blk PF
02-03 Kevin Garnett PF 82 3321 1883 743 1481 20 71 377 502 244 1102 495 229 113 129 199
95-96 Scottie Pippen SF 77 2825 1496 563 1216 150 401 220 324 152 496 454 207 133 57 198
96-97 Chris Webber PF 72 2806 1445 604 1167 60 151 177 313 238 743 331 230 122 137 258
08-09 Rajon Rondo PG 80 2642 953 383 759 15 48 172 268 100 416 659 209 149 11 193
70-71 Tom Boerwinkle C 82 2370 906 357 736 24 71 168 232 321 1133 397 187 105 174 275
72-73 Clifford Ray C 73 2009 638 254 516 13 44 117 189 239 797 271 144 80 112 232
03-04 Jamaal Tinsley PG 52 1378 432 153 370 77 207 49 67 28 136 303 110 84 17 132
78-79 Steve Mix SF 74 1269 717 265 493 26 75 161 201 109 293 121 100 57 16 112
95-96 Walt Williams SF 28 788 337 124 268 56 123 33 60 37 112 65 48 32 16 87
88-89 Roy Tarpley PF 19 591 328 131 242 0 1 66 96 77 218 17 45 28 30 70
11-12 Jordan Hill PF 40 583 202 85 168 0 4 32 49 59 193 18 30 12 27 75
07-08 Trevor Ariza SF 24 433 156 55 105 5 15 41 60 25 84 36 18 26 8 36
TOTALS 21015 9493 3717 7521 446 1211 1613 2361 1629 5723 3167 1557 941 734 1867
5/11/2013 5:42 PM
felonius, others hear you *****, but how can they deny that a team with 40+ orb%, 100%+ dreb%, an ave D over 76 and an insane ast% of 95.73 should win 50-60 games?
5/11/2013 5:44 PM
well first off...i dont think it was a failure...half the league was basically a fringe playoff team....there just inst enough doormats in the league anymore...hell we even lost jethro this season...and sixernuggets went from worst to first....its a tough league

i think they were average because of the offense....especially from the ft line...he was dead last in ftm...thats why i dont like pippen or garnett being my lead dogs....and i think if youre gonna go for an ast% heavy team, up-tempo is the way to go

5/11/2013 5:46 PM
im still surprised they didnt shoot a little higher though....we might have to bring in oliver stone to do a movie about felonius and wis
5/11/2013 5:50 PM
I spent 7-8 hours the last few days pouring over the stats from the last dh$52 trying to see what screwed you felonius. I have concluded:
(1) Either WIS really has flagged your account or there is a lot more randomness than we would like to believe
(2) Your foul rate (RL pf/g divided by mpg, with a weight for minutes used applied) has very high compared to the other teams in the league and you draw foul rate (rl fta's, divided by minutes, dived by 1.28 with the weight applied) was very low when compared to others. The sim net was apparent as your opponents attempted 348 more FTA's, also with your FT% being lower than ave your team had 405 fewer FTM's than opponents.
(3) Your RL poss/min and fga/min rates were also very low. Will talk about this more in next post.
5/11/2013 5:56 PM
Editing 1st post to reflect this: when I say "fail" I don't mean bottom feeder or horrible team, I mean that when I see these types of %'s from the advanced stats and D I expect to see 50-60 wins. I know it is a tough balanced league, but one would expect a team that meets all expected levels for boards and D should really see something good by adding an ast% of 95.73%.
5/11/2013 6:12 PM (edited)
Posted by dh555 on 5/11/2013 5:44:00 PM (view original):
well first off...i dont think it was a failure...half the league was basically a fringe playoff team....there just inst enough doormats in the league anymore...hell we even lost jethro this season...and sixernuggets went from worst to first....its a tough league

i think they were average because of the offense....especially from the ft line...he was dead last in ftm...thats why i dont like pippen or garnett being my lead dogs....and i think if youre gonna go for an ast% heavy team, up-tempo is the way to go

did both h/h and u/h for stretches, neither really changed much about much except turnovers
5/11/2013 6:28 PM (edited)
The other thing I noticed that has impacted how I'm constructing my current team:

Sim results 
League wide FGA ave was 93.8/g
League wide Poss ave was 122.6/g
This team had sim results of fga 91.8/g and poss of 120.7.

Here is the potential issue the weighted ave of RL for this team was 86.73 and 116.33. (Calculated by taking the weighted ave of poss/m and fga/m for all players and applied weight based on minutes used in the sim).

If I have a full grasp on the WIS faq for the indiv penalty then the fact that this team had a RL fga of 86.7 but attempted nearly 92 shots a game means that virtually every game one or more players hit the penalty. 

So, perhaps this team hit the indiv penalty for multiple players each game and this offset any advantage gained from the added ast%.
5/11/2013 6:14 PM
ohhh ok...i just clicked on a few random games to see what you were running and they all were hc

you got pippen again and duncan is a good passing big....going for a 2nd try?

5/11/2013 8:07 PM (edited)
probably not - Duncan is about 5% more efficient than Garnett and Scottie was just best available
5/13/2013 7:37 PM
one of the things that surprised me about this team was the fact that  high steal %s appeared to mean absolutely bupkis to opp turnnovers
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