Rule V Leg #41 Draft Thread Topic

Originally created many moons ago by examinerebb, this league makes any franchise a contender (the Twins won our last season...THE TWINS!), and a better group of owners can't be found on the site. There is much good-natured banter in the draft thread and the league chat, so bring your sense of humor. The rules are simple:

1. Each owner chooses a franchise. Franchise draft order is in inverse order of win percentage from the previous season for non-playoff teams, then inverse order of win percentage of non-World Series playoff teams, with the WS runner-up picking 31st, and the WS champ choosing last. New owners will be assigned the draft position of any previous owners who are not returning, with the first to sign up receiving the highest slot, and so on.

2. Each owner chooses five players he/she wishes to protect from that franchise (1969-2012) and submits that list via sitemail to me. Those players are the exclusive property of their respective owners.

3. After all lists are submitted, they will be posted and a three round modified Rule V draft will be held, with draft order being inverse order of each franchise's Rule V win percentage through all legs from which we have data (the worst teams pick first).  Many thanks to schwarze for compiling this data.  Each owner selects one unprotected player from any active franchise but their own (player seasons for franchises that were not chosen are not eligible). That player is also theirs exclusively. No more than two players may be taken from any one franchise in any one round.

4. At the end of the first and second rounds, each owner will choose an additional player they wish to protect. You will end up protecting seven in all, while drafting three. These ten players must appear on your roster. The rest of the roster is filled by players from your franchise during the given time period (1969-present day).

$120 Million Cap
No trades

No clones (same player, same franchise - if a player played for more than one franchise, he is available once for each franchise)
If a player split time between multiple teams in a season (as listed at WIS) his full season is available once for each team
SLL limited to current series
Stadium must have been used by your franchise for at least one full season between 1969 and 2012
Tiebreaker for draft positions will be run differential from the previous season, worse differential picks first

For those new to the Rule V fold:

There is much good-natured ribbing during the draft (we try not to be too player-specific, so as not to influence the draft, but sometimes the temptation is too much). Do not take it personally. Pick a draft strategy and stay the course, regardless.


He Who Must Not Be Named (HWMNBN) - A former player/manager/dirtbag for the Cincinnati Reds (and later, Philadelphia Phillies and Montreal Expos) who defiled the grand game of baseball. No Rule V team has ever won a title with him, so heed jose's warnings about karma. I would imagine Lady Karma grows weary from teaching the same lesson over and over, as the ruler with which she raps offending knuckles seems to grow with each passing season.  The scumbag finally won a championship (make it two after last leg).  Lady Karma has stunned us all with this development

The Single Most Overrated Pitcher of All Time (TSMOPOAT) - Nolan Ryan

The Single Most Overrated Position Player of All Time (TSMOPPOAT) - Cal Ripken, Jr.

(Both of those players designated by Vegas...see below)

Vegas - jose can u c - Our Rule V Prediction King (emeritus)

New Entry: Alleyviper's Favorite Third Baseman of All Time (AFTBOAT) - Scott Rolen (has picked him in three straight drafts)
7/16/2013 4:39 PM (edited)
Team draft order.  Thanks to schwarze for once again compiling this data.

Franchises in RED have already been selected.

Here is the cumulative standings (with the best and worst seasons removed)
Rank Franchise Years _Wins_ Losses Wining%
1 Rays 4 261 387 0.4028
2 D'backs 9 622 836 0.4266
3 Tigers 12 856 1088 0.4403
4 Pirates 13 989 1117 0.4696
5 Rockies 10 775 845 0.4784
6 Rangers 16 1247 1346 0.4809
7 Twins 19 1484 1595 0.4820
8 Blue Jays 18 1406 1511 0.4820
9 Angels 13 1019 1087 0.4839
10 Orioles 16 1271 1322 0.4902
11 White Sox 6 478 494 0.4918
12 Padres 18 1435 1481 0.4921
13 Brewers 19 1525 1555 0.4951
14 Mariners 22 1778 1787 0.4987
15 Expos 22 1785 1782 0.5004
16 Mets 20 1626 1615 0.5017
17 Phillies 22 1790 1777 0.5018
18 Braves 22 1793 1771 0.5031
19 Cubs 15 1233 1197 0.5074
20 Marlins 14 1152 1118 0.5075
21 Indians 22 1810 1755 0.5077
22 Red Sox 22 1811 1754 0.5080
23 Giants 21 1729 1674 0.5081
24 Cardinals 22 1853 1712 0.5198
25 Royals 19 1606 1473 0.5216
26 Reds 16 1356 1236 0.5231
27 Dodgers 21 1804 1599 0.5301
28 Yankees 19 1649 1429 0.5357
29 A's 22 1929 1636 0.5411
30 Astros 22 1978 1587 0.5548

7/10/2013 1:40 PM (edited)
Team Draft Order (timed draft starts Tuesday 7/9)

1. Disco Dogs 58-104 .358                Cleveland Indians^
2. deathdealer 63-99 .389                  Boston Red Sox^
3. mussopini23 68-94 .420               Atlanta Braves^
4. tridentric 68-94 .420                        Tampa Bay Rays^
5. twfan 70-92 .432                              Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals^          
6. ff09 71-91 .438                                 Oakland Athletics^
7. Robin4 72-90 .444                          St. Louis Cardinals^
8. specsman 73-89 .451                    Houston Astros^
9. newarkwilder 79-83 .488               Philadelphia Phillies^
10. spoonfed 80-82 .494                    New York Yankees^
11. sinfonian11 81-81 .500                Kansas City Royals^ 
12. llcoach 82-80 .506                        Baltimore Orioles^
13. sgsmith 82-80 .506                      Minnesota Twins^
14. mllama54 83-79 .512                  Milwaukee Brewers^ 
15. moneybonn 84-78 .519               Seattle Mariners^       
16. marlowe 89-73 .549                     Detroit Tigers^
17. alleyviper 85-77 .525*                  Toronto Blue Jays^
18. shaybee 87-75 .537*                    Miami Marlins
19. devomac 89-73 .549*                   Cincinnati Reds^ 
20. koyunlu 90-72 .556*                      Los Angeles Angels (of Anaheim)^
21. rbow923 93-69 .574*                    San Francisco Giants^ 
22. bob_shabazz 98-64 .605*           San Diego Padres^
23. tjefferson 112-50 .691%               Los Angeles Dodgers^
24. schwarze 87-75 .537$                  New York Mets^   

* playoff team
% WS runner-up
$ WS champ

^ third-round keepers sent

Division Alignment

NL East: Phillies, Mets, Braves, Expos/Nationals
NL Central: Cardinals, Brewers, Reds, Astros
NL West: Padres, Dodgers, Giants, Marlins
AL East: Yankees, Red Sox, Blue Jays, Orioles
AL Central: Indians, Tigers, Twins, Royals
AL West: Mariners, Angels, Athletics, Rays

The Marlins and Rays will stay in their respective leagues, but as expansion teams, both move out west.

Owner list: Disco Dogs; deathdealer; mussopini23; tridentric; twfan; ff09; Robin4; specsman; newarkwilder; spoonfed; sinfonian11; llcoach; sgsmith; mllama54; moneybonn; marlowe; alleyviper; shaybee; devomac; koyunlu; rbow923; bob_shabazz; tjefferson; schwarze 
7/17/2013 10:31 PM (edited)
Player Draft First Round (timed schedule starts Friday 7/12)                                        Off the Board

1. tridentric - Tampa Bay Rays                                    Derek Lowe - BOS
2. marlowe - Detroit Tigers                                         Clayton Kershaw - LAD
3. sgsmith - Minnesota Twins                                    Catfish Hunter - NYY
4. alleyviper - Toronto Blue Jays                                 Juan Marichal - SFG
5. koyunlu - Los Angeles Angels                                Rico Petrocelli - BOS                    Boston Red Sox
6. llcoach - Baltimore Orioles                                      Kevin Brown - LAD                        Los Angeles Dodgers
7. bob_shabazz - San Diego Padres                         Robin Yount - MIL
8. mllama54 - Milwaukee Brewers                             Alex Rodriguez - NYY                   New York Yankees
9. moneybonn - Seattle Mariners                                Javy Lopez - ATL
10. twfan - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals  Kevin Millwood - ATL                   Atlanta Braves
11. schwarze - New York Mets                                      Lance Berkman - HOU
12. newarkwilder - Philadelphia Phillies                   JR Richard - HOU                          Houston Astros
13. mussopini23 - Atlanta Braves                               Willie McGee - STL
14. shaybee - Miami Marlins                                        Jeff Kent - SFG                              San Francisco Giants
15. Disco Dogs - Cleveland Indians                          Dennis Eckersley - OAK
16. deathdealer - Boston Red Sox                              Roberto Alomar - TOR
17. rbow923 - San Francisco Giants                          Bret Boone - SEA
18. Robin4 - St. Louis Cardinals                                 Edgardo Alfonso - NYM
19. sinfonian11 - Kansas City Royals                        Mark Loretta - SDP
20. devomac - Cincinnati Reds                                   Chris Carpenter - STL                 St. Louis Cardinals
21. tjefferson - Los Angeles Dodgers                        Jim Thome - CLE                          
22. spoonfed - New York Yankees                              Darin Erstad - LAA
23. ff09 - Oakland Athletics                                           Jose Reyes - NYM                        New York Mets
24. specsman - Houston Astros                                 Danny Jackson - CIN

Player Draft Round Two (timed schedule starts Tuesday 7/16)

1. tridentric - Tampa Bay Rays                                    Hideo Nomo - LAD
2. marlowe - Detroit Tigers                                          Paul O'Neill - NYY 
3. sgsmith - Minnesota Twins                                     Fritz Peterson - NYY                     New York Yankees
4. alleyviper - Toronto Blue Jays                                 AFTBOAT - STL (see glossary)
5. koyunlu - Los Angeles Angels                                Fernando Valenzuela - LAD        Los Angeles Dodgers
6. llcoach - Baltimore Orioles                                      George Foster - CIN
7. bob_shabazz - San Diego Padres                         Mark McGwire - OAK
8. mllama54 - Milwaukee Brewers                             Tim Hudson - OAK                        Oakland Athletics
9. moneybonn - Seattle Mariners                                Tony Perez - CIN                           Cincinnati Reds
10. twfan - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals  Jimmy Rollins - PHI
11. schwarze - New York Mets                                      Ozzie Smith - STL                        St. Louis Cardinals
12. newarkwilder - Philadelphia Phillies                    Kevin Mitchell - SFG     
13. mussopini23 - Atlanta Braves                               TSMOPOAT - LAA
14. shaybee - Miami Marlins                                        Carl Yastrzemski - BOS
15. Disco Dogs - Cleveland Indians                           Bobby Bonilla - NYM
16. deathdealer - Boston Red Sox                              Joaquin Benoit - TBR
17. rbow923 - San Francisco Giants                          Bobby Abreu - PHI                         Philadelphia Phillies
18. Robin4 - St. Louis Cardinals                                 Billy Wagner - HOU
19. sinfonian11 - Kansas City Royals                        Carlos Guillen - DET
20. devomac - Cincinnati Reds                                   Don Wilson - HOU                          Houston Astros
21. tjefferson - Los Angeles Dodgers                        Rico Carty - ATL 
22. spoonfed - New York Yankees                             Ichiro Suzuki - SEA
23. ff09 - Oakland Athletics                                           Dustin Pedroia - BOS                    Boston Red Sox 
24. specsman - Houston Astros                                 Jeff Reardon - MON/WSH 

Player Draft Round Three (timed schedule starts Friday 7/19)

1. tridentric - Tampa Bay Rays                                    Bobby Murcer - NYY
2. marlowe - Detroit Tigers                                         Cecil Cooper - MIL
3. sgsmith - Minnesota Twins                                    John Valentin - BOS
4. alleyviper - Toronto Blue Jays                                 Dave Righetti - NYY                             New York Yankees
5. koyunlu - Los Angeles Angels                                Ted Simmons - STL
6. llcoach - Baltimore Orioles                                      Hong-Chih Kuo - LAD
7. bob_shabazz - San Diego Padres                         Eric Davis - CIN
8. mllama54 - Milwaukee Brewers                             Lyman Bostock - MIN
9. moneybonn - Seattle Mariners                                Jacoby Ellsbury - BOS                       Boston Red Sox
10. twfan - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals  Jose DeLeon - STL                            St. Louis Cardinals
11. schwarze - New York Mets                                      Tim Burke - MON
12. newarkwilder - Philadelphia Phillies                    Miguel Tejada - BAL
13. mussopini23 - Atlanta Braves                               Miguel Tejada - OAK
14. shaybee - Miami Marlins                                         Bill Singer - LAD                                 Los Angeles Dodgers
15. Disco Dogs - Cleveland Indians                           Jose Rijo - CIN                                    Cincinnati Reds
16. deathdealer - Boston Red Sox                              Pascual Perez - MON/WSH             Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals
17. rbow923 - San Francisco Giants                          Kris Medlen - ATL
18. Robin4 - St. Louis Cardinals                                 Darrell Evans - ATL                            Atlanta Braves
19. sinfonian11 - Kansas City Royals                        Moises Alou - HOU
20. devomac - Cincinnati Reds                                   Scott Rolen - PHI 
21. tjefferson - Los Angeles Dodgers                         Howard Johnson - NYM 
22. spoonfed - New York Yankees                              Bert Blyleven - MIN                             Minnesota Twins 
23. ff09 - Oakland Athletics                                           Jeff Cirillo - MIL                                   Milwaukee Brewers
24. specsman - Houston Astros                                 Darren Daulton - PHI                          Philadelphia Phillies 

7/20/2013 10:02 AM (edited)
List of Keepers/Draft Picks

Tampa Bay Rays:  Ben Zobrist, Carl Crawford, Evan Longoria, James Shields, David Price, Derek Lowe - BOS, Randy Winn, Hideo Nomo - LAD, Jake McGee, Bobby Murcer - NYY,

Detroit Tigers:  Justin Verlander, Miguel Cabrera, Alan Trammell, Magglio Ordonez, Tony Phillips, Clayton Kershaw - LAD, Curtis Granderson, Paul O'Neill - NYY, Willie Hernandez, Cecil Cooper - MIL,

Minnesota Twins:  Johan Santana, Rod Carew, Kirby Puckett, Chuck Knoblauch, Joe Mauer, Catfish Hunter - NYY, Joe Nathan, Fritz Peterson - NYY, Harmon Killebrew, John Valentin - BOS

Toronto Blue Jays:  Roger Clemens, Mark Eichhorn, Jose Bautista, Carlos Delgado, John Olerud, Juan Marichal - SFG, BJ Ryan, AFTBOAT - STL, Rickey Henderson,  Dave Righetti - NYY

Los Angeles Angels:  Mike Trout, Doug DeCinces, Bobby Grich, Frank Tanana, Jared Weaver, Rico Petrocelli - BOS, Mark Texeira, Fernando Valenzuela - LAD, Tim Salmon, Ted Simmons - STL

Baltimore Orioles:  Mike Cuellar, Jim Palmer, Mike Mussina, TSMOPPOAT, Roberto Alomar, Kevin Brown - LAD, Chris Hoiles, George Foster - CIN, Melvin Mora, Hong-Chih Kuo - LAD

San Diego Padres:  Tony Gwynn, Ken Caminiti, Kevin Brown, Jake Peavy, Chris Young, Robin Yount - MIL, Randy Jones, Mark McGwire - OAK, Gene Tenace, Eric Davis - CIN

Milwaukee Brewers:  Ben Sheets, Teddy Higuera, Mike Caldwell, Prince Fielder, Ryan Braun, Alex Rodriguez - NYY, Paul Molitor, Tim Hudson - OAK, Ben Oglive, Lyman Bostock - MIN

Seattle Mariners:  Edgar Martinez, Ken Griffey, Jr., Alex Rodriguez, Randy Johnson, Felix Hernandez, Javy Lopez - ATL, Cliff Lee, Tony Perez - CIN, JJ Putz, Jacoby Ellsbury - BOS

Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals:  Pedro Martinez, Dennis Martinez, Tim Raines, Gary Carter, Jose Vidro, Kevin Millwood - ATL, Larry Walker, Jimmy Rollins - PHI, Ryan Zimmerman, Jose DeLeon - STL

New York Mets:  Dwight Gooden, Tom Seaver, Pedro Martinez, Mike Piazza, John Olerud, Lance Berkman - HOU, David Wright, Ozzie Smith - STL, Carlos Beltran, Tim Burke - MON

Philadelphia Phillies:  Ryan Howard, Chase Utley, Mike Schmidt, Steve Carlton, Curt Schilling, JR Richard - HOU, Lenny Dykstra, Kevin Mitchell - SFG, Roy Halladay, Miguel Tejada - BAL

Atlanta Braves:  Greg Maddux, John Smoltz, Chipper Jones, Hank Aaron, Craig Kimbrel, Willie McGee - STL, Gary Sheffield, TSMOPOAT - LAA, Marcus Giles, Miguel Tejada - OAK

Miami Marlins:  Gary Sheffield, Hanley Ramirez, Miguel Cabrera, Mike Piazza, Kevin Brown, Jeff Kent - SFG, Luis Castillo, Carl Yastrzemski - BOS, Armando Benitez, Bill Singer - LAD

Cleveland Indians:  Albert Belle, Kenny Lofton, Omar Vizquel, Roberto Alomar, Gaylord Perry, Dennis Eckersley - OAK, Rafael Betancourt, Bobby Bonilla - NYM, Manny Ramirez, Jose Rijo - CIN

Boston Red Sox:  Wade Boggs, Fred Lynn, Nomar Garciaparra, Pedro Martinez, Roger Clemens, Roberto Alomar - TOR, Carlton Fisk, Joaquin Benoit - TBR, Jonathan Papelbon, Pascual Perez - MON/WSH

San Francisco Giants:  Barry Bonds, Buster Posey, Willie McCovey, Jason Schmidt, Tim Lincecum, Bret Boone - SEA, Rich Aurillia, Bobby Abreu - PHI, Rod Beck, Kris Medlen - ATL

St. Louis Cardinals:  Bob Gibson, John Tudor, Albert Pujols, Mark McGwire, Joe Torre, Edgardo Alfonso - NYM, Adam Wainwright, Billy Wagner - HOU, Jim Edmonds, Darrell Evans - ATL, 

Kansas City Royals:  George Brett, Carlos Beltran, Bret Saberhagen, Kevin Appier, Zach Greinke, Mark Loretta - SDP,  Darrell Porter, Carlos Guillen - DET, Roger Nelson, Moises Alou - HOU

Cincinnati Reds:  Tom Seaver, Johnny Bench, Joey Votto, Joe Morgan, Barry Larkin, Chris Carpenter - STL,  HWMNBN, Don Wilson - HOU, Aroldis Chapman, Scott Rolen - PHI

Los Angeles Dodgers:  Adrian Beltre, Mike Piazza, Matt Kemp, Don Sutton, Orel Hershiser, Jim Thome - CLE, Eric Gagne, Rico Carty - ATL, Odalis Perez, Howard Johnson - NYM

New York Yankees:  Ron Guidry, Mariano Rivera, Derek Jeter, Robinson Cano, Thurman Munson, Darin Erstad - LAA, Wade Boggs, Ichiro Suzuki - SEA, Don Mattingly, Bert Blyleven - MIN

Oakland Athletics:  Rickey Henderson, Jason Giambi, Vida Blue, Catfish Hunter, Mike Norris, Jose Reyes - NYM, Jose Canseco, Dustin Pedroia - BOS, Reggie Jackson, Jeff Cirillo - MIL

Houston Astros:  Mike Scott, Larry Dierker, Roger Clemens, Craig Biggio, Jeff Bagwell, Danny Jackson - CIN, Cesar Cedeno, Jeff Reardon - MON/WSH, TSMOPOAT, Darren Daulton - PHI

7/20/2013 10:04 AM (edited)
Cleveland Indians
7/6/2013 5:49 PM
7/6/2013 5:54 PM
I'm not sure why pini picks before me as we were tied, I guess I won the season series, but as I am going to be away from internet most all of tomorrow until late and he might not pick until ..............
I am going to leapfrog (leap of faith leapfrog) and take my hometown

Tampa Bay Rays

if he really wants them, he can have them and I will pick sometime tomorrow night. I hate to hold up the draft. I know this is not kosher but...............
7/6/2013 7:27 PM
Well I was just checking in to see if pini had picked but I guess I'm living in a fantasy world. Will check back later.
7/7/2013 11:50 AM
Rick, the tiebreaker is run differential.  Owner whose team had a worse run differential last season picks first.  I'm not terribly worried that pini will be taking the Rays, anyway.
7/7/2013 1:29 PM
just checking in to see.............oh wait............never mind

I hope we go on the clock tomorrow.
7/7/2013 8:21 PM
Waiting for Tuesday to go on the clock because of the holiday weekend.  I'll post the times in a bit.  Sorry for the delay.
7/8/2013 10:46 AM
Hey it's pini! Its the weekend! He's probably coaching
7/8/2013 10:50 AM
I'm here, & yes, as mentioned last week, I was in Fresno all weekend coaching, got back last night, picking shortly.
7/8/2013 12:03 PM
well, things haven't really gotten me to the top of the pyramid, so I will revert back to using my favorite team since I was a child, welcome mussopini23 as the new owner of the Atlanta Braves
7/8/2013 12:09 PM
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