redwingscup, I'm 35, Detroit's been my team since I was about 6. I'd use them before I'd use anyone else REGARDLESS and they're history of pitching isn't all that incredible. I'll be the first to admit, the pitching definitely IS NOT the bright spot of my team. Not to say, the McClain's and Verlander's were/are not great in reality, they just don't translate well to WiS, UNFORTUNATELY. Pirates have had some quality pitchers, but imho, nothing that'll translate well here. I use 1909 Babe Adams from time-to-time as a reliever, he's ok.