Posted by MikeT23 on 11/19/2013 9:58:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 11/19/2013 9:12:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 11/19/2013 8:15:00 AM (view original):Because we aren't talking about the same thing. You "proved" that conditions in the market (two teams no baseballs, no money; tickets to a sold out concert; 30 teams and only a couple good catchers) affect the price you pay for those things. Again, no ****.
Posted by bad_luck on 11/18/2013 8:45:00 PM (view original):So, if circumstance can change value, why in the hell can't you admit that it can change the meaning, or at least vary, the V in MVP?
Posted by MikeT23 on 11/18/2013 8:13:00 PM (view original):You get the no **** award. Just like if you and your friends had a baseball, you wouldn't need that kid's balls.
And if I had a baseball how valuable would his be?
Circumstances dictate the value. Why can't you understand this?
I have a Molina. You have two Poseys. How valuable is your Posey to me?
In this case, the circumstance is that there are 30 teams and only a couple catchers as good as Posey. So his value is high, even if you aren't willing to pay the price because you already have Molina.
But...again...this is off base. Trade value and production value aren't the same thing. Production value is all that matters in the MVP discussion.
MVP voting has nothing to do with trade value.
Production value is all that matters and that isn't affected by circumstance.
And here's the disconnect.
The production of a player on a contender and the production of a player on a .500 can be viewed as production under a specific circumstance. Some people feel there's more VALUE in the production of a player from a contender. While it may be only .1, which you've declared the same, it is a different circumstance.
Much like adding Longoria to the Tigers would reduce the value, by your own admission, of Fielder and Victor Martinez even though they're still the same players.
You're mixing and matching here.
The past production of a player is what it is. Cabrera's 2013 production isn't altered if Longoria happened to be sitting on the bench. Had Cabrera played a different position, it's possible that his production would have been different. But he didn't so his value is the same for 2013, regardless if who his teammates were.