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11/21/2013 10:54 AM
Posted by bad_luck on 11/21/2013 10:31:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 11/21/2013 10:12:00 AM (view original):
Looks like there was an IBB of about .21 every game.    So teams don't mind doing it.   That certainly doesn't include the non-intentional intentional walk where the pitcher throws pitches that won't garner a swing by anyone with a decent eye. 

Crapshoot or no, pitchers control the game.   If we don't want to pitch to Mike Trout, Mike Trout sees nothing to hit.    Can't do that with a Clayton Kershaw.  You have to bat against him. 

Although, back to your original question, I'm not sure Trout gets the most money on a 1 year deal.   I think a pitcher would.   Several of them.   Turn it into a 5-6 year deal and I think you're right.   Long term deals to everyone, but moreso pitchers, have proven to be risky.    If I had to give 5/150 to someone, it's not a pitcher.   Or a 33 y/o firstbaseman. 
You're probably right. Take away the long term risk and a guy like Kershaw will get a huge one year deal. On the other hand, pitcher performance seems, at least anecdotally, to have more if a variance from year to year, so there is less certainty than with a hitter.

Also, the Red Sox showed that you can win a series without a stud starting pitcher. Lester is at least a level below Kershaw, Scherzer, and Wainwright.
Buckholz is the Sux's best starter.
11/21/2013 10:55 AM
Posted by MikeT23 on 11/21/2013 10:35:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 11/21/2013 10:31:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 11/21/2013 10:12:00 AM (view original):
Looks like there was an IBB of about .21 every game.    So teams don't mind doing it.   That certainly doesn't include the non-intentional intentional walk where the pitcher throws pitches that won't garner a swing by anyone with a decent eye. 

Crapshoot or no, pitchers control the game.   If we don't want to pitch to Mike Trout, Mike Trout sees nothing to hit.    Can't do that with a Clayton Kershaw.  You have to bat against him. 

Although, back to your original question, I'm not sure Trout gets the most money on a 1 year deal.   I think a pitcher would.   Several of them.   Turn it into a 5-6 year deal and I think you're right.   Long term deals to everyone, but moreso pitchers, have proven to be risky.    If I had to give 5/150 to someone, it's not a pitcher.   Or a 33 y/o firstbaseman. 
You're probably right. Take away the long term risk and a guy like Kershaw will get a huge one year deal. On the other hand, pitcher performance seems, at least anecdotally, to have more if a variance from year to year, so there is less certainty than with a hitter.

Also, the Red Sox showed that you can win a series without a stud starting pitcher. Lester is at least a level below Kershaw, Scherzer, and Wainwright.
Boston's bullpen was lights out.   Not saying I throw a bigger contract at a RP over a great hitter but it's still pitching.     Plus STL looked like they would have struggled against a High School #2 thru the playoffs.
It's crazy how lights out they were over a whole season. Reminded me of some of a The Eck led A's pens of the late 80's, early 90's
11/21/2013 12:37 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 11/21/2013 10:35:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 11/21/2013 10:31:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 11/21/2013 10:12:00 AM (view original):
Looks like there was an IBB of about .21 every game.    So teams don't mind doing it.   That certainly doesn't include the non-intentional intentional walk where the pitcher throws pitches that won't garner a swing by anyone with a decent eye. 

Crapshoot or no, pitchers control the game.   If we don't want to pitch to Mike Trout, Mike Trout sees nothing to hit.    Can't do that with a Clayton Kershaw.  You have to bat against him. 

Although, back to your original question, I'm not sure Trout gets the most money on a 1 year deal.   I think a pitcher would.   Several of them.   Turn it into a 5-6 year deal and I think you're right.   Long term deals to everyone, but moreso pitchers, have proven to be risky.    If I had to give 5/150 to someone, it's not a pitcher.   Or a 33 y/o firstbaseman. 
You're probably right. Take away the long term risk and a guy like Kershaw will get a huge one year deal. On the other hand, pitcher performance seems, at least anecdotally, to have more if a variance from year to year, so there is less certainty than with a hitter.

Also, the Red Sox showed that you can win a series without a stud starting pitcher. Lester is at least a level below Kershaw, Scherzer, and Wainwright.
Boston's bullpen was lights out.   Not saying I throw a bigger contract at a RP over a great hitter but it's still pitching.     Plus STL looked like they would have struggled against a High School #2 thru the playoffs.
Did they?

Throughout the playoffs the Cards hit 215/281/315. Essentially the same as their opponents: 208/272/327.

Boston hit slightly better overall, 227/313/352.

 
11/21/2013 12:59 PM
Do you think 215/281/315 is good?
11/21/2013 1:32 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 11/21/2013 12:59:00 PM (view original):
Do you think 215/281/315 is good?
No, but it's the same as their opponents' triple slash line. Playoffs suppress offense for everyone. You only face your opponents top 2 or 3 starters and bullpens are fully rested because of all the days off.
11/22/2013 12:05 PM
This is one long pointless thread but I had some laughs.

WAR, ************!!! Lol.
11/22/2013 1:58 PM


Here's another take on things.  This was posted in one of Jayson Stark's latest columns - supposedly a quote from "Old Hoss Radbourn" from a long time ago...

"My criterion for valuable is the player whose kidnapping would net you the most ransom money."


 

11/23/2013 4:26 AM
Posted by ramonshaw on 11/22/2013 12:05:00 PM (view original):
This is one long pointless thread but I had some laughs.

WAR, ************!!! Lol.
INDEED!!! Any lefties named "Steve" wanna play second???
3/28/2014 10:41 AM
3/28/2014 10:43 AM
I just don't understand why the Tigers couldn't wait at least 1 more year.  When he gets another DWI next season this will look beyond dumb.  Make him prove to you a little more that he'll be worth this.  
3/28/2014 11:35 AM
Posted by burnsy483 on 3/28/2014 10:43:00 AM (view original):
I just don't understand why the Tigers couldn't wait at least 1 more year.  When he gets another DWI next season this will look beyond dumb.  Make him prove to you a little more that he'll be worth this.  
A horrible, horrible contract. The Tigers will regret it.

Cabrera's value can only go down in the next couple years. They bought high on a fat 31 year old that was already signed through his age 33 season. This is worse than the Ryan Howard extension.
3/28/2014 2:39 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 3/28/2014 11:35:00 AM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 3/28/2014 10:43:00 AM (view original):
I just don't understand why the Tigers couldn't wait at least 1 more year.  When he gets another DWI next season this will look beyond dumb.  Make him prove to you a little more that he'll be worth this.  
A horrible, horrible contract. The Tigers will regret it.

Cabrera's value can only go down in the next couple years. They bought high on a fat 31 year old that was already signed through his age 33 season. This is worse than the Ryan Howard extension.
No where near as bad as Ryan Howards.  
3/28/2014 2:55 PM
The price is one thing, I'm annoyed by the timing.  Why now?
3/28/2014 2:59 PM
I don't know. The phillies are only on the hook for another $85 million with Howard, and only through 2016. That's relatively short money on a guy who is still really good against right handers.

Cabrera can mash today, but when he's 37 (the age Howard's contract expires) the Tigers will still owe him something like $120 million.
3/28/2014 3:24 PM
no one on the radio today expressed this thought but what if the tigers really are saying were going to pay this 40+mil for 7 years and just spread it out for ten this keeps guys like trout from asking for 35mil a year  and keeps their team payroll down below the cap any thoughts on that
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