Posted by ncmusician_7 on 11/29/2013 5:49:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 11/29/2013 4:50:00 PM (view original):Why would you take Mussina over Glavine? Mussina had 3563 IP with a 123 ERA+, Glavine had 4413 IP with a 118 ERA+. Both had 9 seasons of 200+ IP and 120+ ERA+.
Pitcher wins and all star selections aren't as important as you think.
Glavine was great, I'd vote for him, but I'd take Mussina and Schilling over him first.
Neither belongs in the hall. I would consider them very equivalent. Same generation of pitchers with Clemens, Randy Johnson, Pedro, and Maddux, who belong in. Just because we have too many deadball pitchers in the Hall doesn't mean we have to go looking for 10 guys who pitched simultaneously to put in there from every era. Mussina, Glavine, and Schilling just aren't HOF-worthy pitchers from where I stand. Schilling is by far the closest for me, but I still wouldn't quite put him in there. Smoltz I would probably say yes to, but that's very close. And if I let Smoltz in, that's 5 guys from the same generation who were primarily starters. That seems like more than enough to me, particularly given that I'd put it at least 3 closers from the same time frame (Rivera, Hoffman, Wagner). I could see an argument that the best starter from some time frame belongs in, even if in the whole historical context he isn't that remarkable. But a guy who was the 6th-10th best starter in his own time, outside the top 100 all time, just doesn't cut it for me.