Rule V Leg #43 Draft Thread Topic

Originally created many moons ago by examinerebb, this league makes any franchise a contender (the Indians won our league last season, beating the Rockies, and a better group of owners can't be found on the site. There is much good-natured banter in the draft thread and the league chat, so bring your sense of humor. The rules are simple:

1. Each owner chooses a franchise. Franchise draft order is in inverse order of win percentage from the previous season for non-playoff teams, then inverse order of win percentage of non-World Series playoff teams, with the WS runner-up picking 23rd, and the WS champ choosing last. New owners will be assigned the draft position of any previous owners who are not returning, with the first to sign up receiving the highest slot, and so on.  Division alignment will be determined by the commissioner with feedback from other owners.  Real life division is the first determining factor, followed by geography and preserving natural rivalries.  In every phase of the draft, please sitemail the next three owners to let them know that you have picked.  This helps keep the draft moving.

2. Each owner chooses five players he/she wishes to protect from that franchise (1969-2013) and submits that list via sitemail to me. Those players are the exclusive property of their respective owners.
3. After all lists are submitted, they will be posted and a three round modified Rule V draft will be held, with draft order being inverse order of each franchise's Rule V win percentage through all legs from which we have data (the worst teams pick first).  Many thanks to schwarze for compiling this data.  Each owner selects one unprotected player from any active franchise but their own (player seasons for franchises that were not chosen are not eligible). That player is also theirs exclusively. No more than two players may be taken from any one franchise in any one round.

4. At the end of the first and second rounds, each owner will choose an additional player they wish to protect. You will end up protecting seven in all, while drafting three. These ten players must appear on your roster. The rest of the roster is filled by players from your franchise during the given time period (1969-present day).

$120 Million Cap
No trades

No clones (same player, same franchise - if a player played for more than one franchise, he is available once for each franchise)
If a player split time between multiple teams in a season (as listed at WIS) his full season is available once for each team
SLL limited to current series
Stadium must have been used by your franchise for at least one full season between 1969 and 2013
Tiebreaker for draft positions will be run differential from the previous season, worse differential picks first

For those new to the Rule V fold:

There is much good-natured ribbing during the draft (we try not to be too player-specific, so as not to influence the draft, but sometimes the temptation is too much). Do not take it personally. Pick a draft strategy and stay the course, regardless.


He Who Must Not Be Named (HWMNBN) - A former player/manager/dirtbag for the Cincinnati Reds (and later, Philadelphia Phillies and Montreal Expos) who defiled the grand game of baseball. No Rule V team has ever won a title with him, so heed jose's warnings about karma. I would imagine Lady Karma grows weary from teaching the same lesson over and over, as the ruler with which she raps offending knuckles seems to grow with each passing season.  It took a long time, but the scumbag won has now won multiple championships.  Lady Karma has stunned us all with this development.

The Single Most Overrated Pitcher of All Time (TSMOPOAT) - Nolan Ryan

The Single Most Overrated Position Player of All Time (TSMOPPOAT) - Cal Ripken, Jr.

(Both of those players designated by Vegas...see below)

Vegas - jose can u c - Our Rule V Prediction King (emeritus)

New Entry: Alleyviper's Favorite Third Baseman of All Time (AFTBOAT) - Scott Rolen (picked him in three straight drafts)
1/6/2014 10:29 AM
Team draft order.  Thanks to schwarze for once again compiling this data.

Franchises in RED have already been selected.

Here is the cumulative standings (with the best and worst seasons removed)

Rank Franchise Years _Wins_ Losses Wining%
1 Rays 5 314 496 0.3877
2 D'backs 10 703 917 0.4340
3 Tigers 14 1002 1266 0.4418
4 Pirates 14 1059 1209 0.4669
5 Rangers 16 1247 1346 0.4809
6 Rockies 11 858 924 0.4815
7 White Sox 7 547 587 0.4824
8 Twins 20 1567 1674 0.4835
9 Blue Jays 20 1576 1665 0.4863
10 Angels 15 1194 1236 0.4914
11 Padres 20 1596 1644 0.4926
12 Orioles 18 1439 1478 0.4933
13 Brewers 20 1607 1636 0.4955
14 Marlins 16 1290 1304 0.4973
15 Expos 24 1944 1947 0.4996
16 Mariners 23 1864 1863 0.5001
17 Phillies 24 1960 1931 0.5037
18 Mets 22 1796 1769 0.5038
19 Braves 23 1882 1844 0.5051
20 Red Sox 24 1975 1914 0.5078
21 Indians 24 1976 1913 0.5081
22 Cubs 16 1318 1274 0.5085
23 Giants 23 1901 1826 0.5101
24 Royals 21 1763 1640 0.5181
25 Cardinals 24 2020 1869 0.5194
26 Reds 18 1518 1399 0.5204
27 Yankees 21 1807 1595 0.5312
28 Dodgers 23 1981 1746 0.5315
29 A's 24 2099 1790 0.5397
30 Astros 24 2149 1740 0.5526

1/8/2014 4:14 PM (edited)
looking forward to another leg!!
1/6/2014 10:39 AM
Team draft order (timed draft starts Tuesday 1/7, all times EST)
  1. twfan 65-97 .401                                         Houston Astros+
  2. mllama54 69-93 .426                                Los Angeles Dodgers+
  3. Disco Dogs 70-92 .432                             Chicago White Sox+
  4. spoonfed 71-91 .438                                 Pittsburgh Pirates+
  5. deathdealer 72-90 .444                             Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals+
  6. Robin4 78-84 .481                                     Atlanta Braves+
  7. specsman 78-84 .481                               New York Mets+
  8. spikeboots 79-83 .488^                             Toronto Blue Jays+
  9. ff09 79-83 .488                                            St. Louis Cardinals+
  10. trenchfoot 80-82 .494^                               Boston Red Sox+
  11. alleyviper 81-81 .500                                  San Diego Padres+
  12. dvorr80 81-81 .500                                     Cleveland Indians+
  13. mussopini23 81-81 .500                           Detroit Tigers+
  14. tjefferson 83-79 .512                                  Los Angeles Angels+
  15. tridentric 83-79 .512                                    San Francisco Giants+
  16. sinfonian11 86-76 .531                              Baltimore Orioles+
  17. koyunlu 85-77 .525*                                    Kansas City Royals+
  18. marlowe 87-75 .537*                                  Minnesota Twins+
  19. shaybee 87-75 .537*                                  Chicago Cubs+
  20. sgsmith 87-75 .537*                                   Philadelphia Phillies+
  21. schwarze 94-68 .580*                                Cincinnati Reds+
  22. bob_shabazz 96-66 .593*                          Oakland Athletics+
  23. rbow923 85-77 .525&                                 Texas Rangers+
  24. llcoach 87-75 .537%                                    Seattle Mariners
+ 3rd round keeper sent

^ new owner
* playoff team
& WS runner-up
% WS champion

Division alignment:

NL Central:  CIN, PIT, STL, CHC
AL Central:  DET, CHW, MIN, KCR

Owner list for sitemailing: twfan; mllama54; Disco Dogs; spoonfed; deathdealer; Robin4; specsman; spikeboots; ff09; trenchfoot; alleyviper; dvorr80; mussopini23; tjefferson; tridentric; sinfonian11; koyunlu; marlowe; shaybee; sgsmith; schwarze; bob_shabazz; rbow923; llcoach

1/15/2014 6:06 PM (edited)
Player Draft First Round (timed draft begins Friday 1/10)                                                                      Off the Board

mussopini23 - Detroit Tigers:                                             Jeff Bagwell - HOU
spoonfed - Pittsburgh Pirates:                                            Adrian Beltre - LAD
rbow923 - Texas Rangers:                                                   Fernando Valenzuela - LAD           Los Angeles Dodgers
Disco Dogs - Chicago White Sox:                                       Bret Boone - SEA
marlowe - Minnesota Twins:                                                Mike Norris - OAK
spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays:                                           Fred Lynn - BOS
tjefferson - Los Angeles Angels:                                         Nomar Garciaparra - BOS             Boston Red Sox
alleyviper - San Diego Padres:                                            Nolan Ryan - HOU                            Houston Astros
sinfonian11 - Baltimore Orioles:                                         John Olerud - TOR
deathdealer - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals    Tim Lincecum - SFG
llcoach - Seattle Mariners                                                     David Cone - KCR
sgsmith - Philadelphia Phillies                                            Eric Davis - CIN
specsman - New York Mets                                                  George Foster - CIN                         Cincinnati Reds
Robin4 - Atlanta Braves                                                         Carlos Beltran - NYM
trenchfoot - Boston Red Sox                                                 Jeff Kent - SFG                                 San Francisco Giants
dvorr80 - Cleveland Indians                                                  Chris Carpenter - STL
shaybee - Chicago Cubs                                                       Darrell Evans - ATL
tridentric - San Francisco Giants                                          Billy Williams - CHC
koyunlu - Kansas City Royals                                               Willie Stargell - PIT
ff09 - St. Louis Cardinals                                                        Steve McCatty - OAK                     Oakland Athletics
schwarze - Cincinnati Reds                                                   Zach Greinke - KCR                        Kansas City Royals
mllama54 - Los Angeles Dodgers                                       Brian Giles PIT                                 Pittsburgh Pirates
bob_shabazz - Oakland Athletics                                         Mike Napoli - TEX
twfan - Houston Astros                                                           Ted Simmons - STL                        St. Louis Cardinals

Player Draft Second Round  (timed draft starts Tuesday 1/14)                                                            Off the Board

mussopini23 - Detroit Tigers:                                             Buster Posey - SFG
spoonfed - Pittsburgh Pirates:                                            Larry Dierker - HOU
rbow923 - Texas Rangers:                                                   Hideo Nomo - LAD
Disco Dogs - Chicago White Sox:                                       Dennis Eckersley - OAK
marlowe - Minnesota Twins:                                                John Valentin - BOS 
spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays:                                          Don Sutton - HOU                                    Houston Astros 
tjefferson - Los Angeles Angels:                                         Willie McGee - STL
alleyviper - San Diego Padres:                                            AFTBOAT - STL                                        St. Louis Cardinals
sinfonian11 - Baltimore Orioles:                                         Roy Halladay - TOR 
deathdealer - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals    Manny Ramirez - CLE
llcoach - Seattle Mariners                                                     Steve Sax - LAD                                       Los Angeles Dodgers
sgsmith - Philadelphia Phillies                                           Tim Hudson - OAK                                   Oakland Athletics
specsman - New York Mets                                                  Koji Uehara - BOS                                    Boston Red Sox
Robin4 - Atlanta Braves                                                         Miguel Tejada - BAL
trenchfoot - Boston Red Sox                                                 Dick Allen - CHW
dvorr80 - Cleveland Indians                                                  Harmon Killebrew - MIN
shaybee - Chicago Cubs                                                       Howard Johnson - NYM
tridentric - San Francisco Giants                                          Tony Phillips - DET 
koyunlu - Kansas City Royals                                                Jose Reyes - NYM                                   New York Mets
ff09 - St. Louis Cardinals                                                        Rob Dibble - CIN 
schwarze - Cincinnati Reds                                                   Roy Halladay - PHI 
mllama54 - Los Angeles Dodgers                                       Mark Loretta - SDP 
bob_shabazz - Oakland Athletics                                          Roberto Alomar - CLE                         Cleveland Indians
twfan - Houston Astros                                                            Bobby Abreu - PHI                                Philadelphia Phillies

Player Draft Third Round  (timed draft starts Friday 1/17)

mussopini23 - Detroit Tigers:                                              Bill Singer - LAD
spoonfed - Pittsburgh Pirates:                                             Cole Hamels - PHI
rbow923 - Texas Rangers:                                                    Keith Hernandez - STL
Disco Dogs - Chicago White Sox:                                       Adrian Beltre - BOS
marlowe - Minnesota Twins:                                                Greg Holland - KCR
spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays:                                           Rafael Betancourt - CLE
tjefferson - Los Angeles Angels:                                         Yadier Molina - STL                                   St. Louis Cardinals
alleyviper - San Diego Padres:                                            Grady Sizemore - CLE                              Cleveland Indians
sinfonian11 - Baltimore Orioles:                                          BJ Ryan - TOR 
deathdealer - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals    Chase Headley - SDP
llcoach - Seattle Mariners                                                     Will Clark - SFG 
sgsmith - Philadelphia Phillies                                            Toby Harrah - TEX
specsman - New York Mets                                                  Jimmy Rollins - PHI                                   Philadelphia Phillies
Robin4 - Atlanta Braves                                                         Rafael Palmeiro - TEX                              Texas Rangers
trenchfoot - Boston Red Sox                                                 Pascual Perez - MON/WSH
dvorr80 - Cleveland Indians                                                  Carlos Guillen - DET
shaybee - Chicago Cubs                                                       Odalis Perez - LAD                                   Los Angeles Dodgers
tridentric - San Francisco Giants                                          Nolan Ryan - LAA 
koyunlu - Kansas City Royals                                                Edgardo Alfonso - NYM 
ff09 - St. Louis Cardinals                                                        Jacoby Ellsbury - BOS                              Boston Red Sox 
schwarze - Cincinnati Reds                                                   Gary Sheffield - SDP                                 San Diego Padres
mllama54 - Los Angeles Dodgers                                       Willie Wilson - KCR                                  Kansas City Royals
bob_shabazz - Oakland Athletics                                          Kris Medlen - ATL
twfan - Houston Astros                                                            Rusty Staub - MON/WSH                        Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals

1/18/2014 7:38 PM (edited)
List of Keepers/Draftees

mussopini23 - Detroit Tigers:  Justin Verlander, Max Scherzer, Magglio Ordonez, Miguel Cabrera, Alan Trammell, Jeff Bagwell - HOU, Willie Hernandez, Buster Posey - SFG, Doug Fister, Bill Singer - LAD

spoonfed - Pittsburgh Pirates:  Freddie Sanchez, Jay Bell, Barry Bonds, Andrew McCutchen, Doug Drabek, Adrian Beltre - LAD, Andy Van Slyke, Larry Dierker - HOU, Rich Gossage, Cole Hamels - PHI

rbow923 - Texas Rangers:  Alex Rodriguez, Ivan Rodriguez, Josh Hamilton, Ian Kinsler, TSMOPOAT, Fernando Valenzuela - LAD, Jose Canseco, Hideo Nomo - LAD, Juan Gonzalez, Keith Hernandez - STL

Disco Dogs - Chicago White Sox:  Frank Thomas, Albert Belle, Magglio Ordonez, Wilbur Wood, Bobby Jenks, Bret Boone - SEA, Jermaine Dye, Dennis Eckersley - OAK, Luis Aparicio, Adrian Beltre - BOS

marlowe - Minnesota Twins:  Kirby Puckett, Joe Mauer, Rod Carew, Chuck Knoblauch, Johan Santana, Mike Norris - OAK, Joe Nathan, John Valentin - BOS, Bert Blyleven, Greg Holland - KCR

spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays:  Jose Bautista, Roberto Alomar, Carlos Delgado, Tony Fernandez, Roger Clemens, Fred Lynn - BOS, Mark Eichhorn, Don Sutton - HOU, Jimmy Key, Rafael Betancourt - CLE

tjefferson - Los Angeles Angels:  Mike Trout, Tim Salmon, Bobby Grich, Frank Tanana, Andy Messersmith, Nomar Garciaparra - BOS, Jered Weaver, Willie McGee - STL, Darin Erstad, Yadier Molina - STL

alleyviper - San Diego Padres:  Tony Gwynn, Ken Caminiti, Jake Peavy, Randy Jones, Kevin Brown, Nolan Ryan - HOU, Dave Winfield, AFTBOAT - STL, Trevor Hoffman, Grady Sizemore - CLE

sinfonian11 - Baltimore Orioles:  Mike Cuellar, Jim Palmer, Chris Hoiles, Roberto Alomar, TSMOPPOAT, John Olerud - TOR, Brady Anderson, Roy Halladay - TOR, Ken Singleton, BJ Ryan - TOR

deathdealer - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals:  Tim Raines, Gary Carter, Vladimir Guerrero, Pedro Martinez, Tim Burke, Tim Lincecum - SFG, Jose Vidro, Manny Ramirez - CLE, Orlando Cabrera, Chase Headley - SDP

llcoach - Seattle Mariners:  Randy Johnson, Felix Hernandez, Alex Rodriguez, Ken Griffey, Jr., Ichiro Suzuki, David Cone - KCR, Edgar Martinez, Steve Sax - LAD, JJ Putz, Will Clark - SFG

sgsmith - Philadelphia Phillies:  Steve Carlton, Curt Schilling, Ryan Howard, Mike Schmidt, Chase Utley, Eric Davis - CIN, Lenny Dykstra, Tim Hudson - OAK, Billy Wagner, Toby Harrah - TEX

specsman - New York Mets:  Matt Harvey, Tom Seaver, Pedro Martinez, Dwight Gooden, David Wright, George Foster - CIN, John Olerud, Koji Uehara - BOS, Mike Piazza, Jimmy Rollins - PHI

Robin4 - Atlanta Braves:  Greg Maddux, John Smoltz, Kevin Millwood, Hank Aaron, Chipper Jones, Carlos Beltran - NYM, Craig Kimbrel, Miguel Tejada - BAL, Javier Lopez, Rafael Palmeiro - TEX

trenchfoot - Boston Red Sox:  Wade Boggs, Rico Petrocelli, Roger Clemens, Pedro Martinez, Derek Lowe, Jeff Kent - SFG, Carl Yastrzemski, Dick Allen - CHW, Carlton Fisk, Pascual Perez - MON/WSH

dvorr80 - Cleveland Indians:  CC Sabathia, Gaylord Perry, Cliff Lee, Albert Belle, Jim Thome, Chris Carpenter - STL, Kenny Lofton, Harmon Killebrew - MIN, Victor Martinez, Carlos Guillen - DET

shaybee - Chicago Cubs:  Greg Maddux, Ryne Sandberg, Sammy Sosa, Derrek Lee, Rick Wilkins, Darrell Evans - ATL, Bruce Sutter, Howard Johnson - NYM, Fergie Jenkins, Odalis Perez - LAD

tridentric - San Francisco Giants:  Barry Bonds, Willie McCovey, Kevin Mitchell, Jason Schmidt, Juan Marichal, Billy Williams - CHC, Rich Aurillia, Tony Phillips - DET, Pablo Sandoval, Nolan Ryan - LAA

koyunlu - Kansas City Royals:  Darrell Porter, Carlos Beltran, George Brett, Bret Saberhagen, Kevin Appier, Willie Stargell - PIT, Larry Gura, Jose Reyes - NYM, Roger Nelson, Edgardo Alfonso - NYM

ff09 - St. Louis Cardinals:  Mark McGwire, Albert Pujols, Joe Torre, John Tudor, Bob Gibson, Steve McCatty - OAK, Matt Carpenter, Rob Dibble - CIN, Jose DeLeon, Jacoby Ellsbury - BOS

schwarze - Cincinnati Reds:  Johnny Bench, Joey Votto, Joe Morgan, Barry Larkin, Tom Seaver, Zach Greinke - KCR, HWMNBN, Roy Halladay - PHI, Aroldis Chapman, Gary Sheffield - SDP

mllama54 - Los Angeles Dodgers:  Mike Piazza, Clayton Kershaw, Don Sutton, Kevin Brown, Orel Hershiser, Brian Giles - PIT, Eric Gagne, Mark Loretta - SDP, Pedro Guerrero, Willie Wilson - KCR

bob_shabazz - Oakland Athletics:  Vida Blue, Catfish Hunter, Rickey Henderson, Jason Giambi, Reggie Jackson, Mike Napoli - TEX, Steve Ontiveros, Roberto Alomar - CLE, Mark McGwire, Kris Medlen - ATL

twfan - Houson Astros:  Roger Clemens, Mike Scott, JR Richard, Craig Biggio, Lance Berkman, Ted Simmons - STL, Don Wilson, Bobby Abreu - PHI, Billy Wagner, Rusty Staub - MON/WSH

1/18/2014 7:39 PM (edited)
I'll start it off by taking the 

Houston Astros

and hoping rbow stays out of my division
1/6/2014 11:47 AM
Posted by twfan on 1/6/2014 11:47:00 AM (view original):
I'll start it off by taking the 

Houston Astros

and hoping rbow stays out of my division
Ah, the Astros.  The ultimate "I'm not messing around this leg" pick.
1/6/2014 12:41 PM
Yep, I'm 3rd and was gonna use the Astros this leg, im tired of picking the losers all the time, dang......
1/6/2014 1:09 PM
1/6/2014 3:04 PM
Guess I'll try another bunch of losers and try and turn em around, ChiSox
1/6/2014 4:38 PM
I will take the Pittsburgh Pirates
1/6/2014 5:41 PM
1/6/2014 8:55 PM
Gonna go with a team I hate - Braves
1/6/2014 9:16 PM
Let's see how much I can destroy the NY Mets this leg....
1/7/2014 9:37 AM
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