Posted by bad_luck on 2/12/2014 4:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 4:24:00 PM (view original):
I'll try to explain this to you.   Using small words.

You ask a dumb question.  Let's just say it was something along the lines of "Did EM have too high of an OBP?"
Now, if I answer that, you're likely to ask an equally dumb question later because I've responded to the first idiotic question.
If I never answer, you keep repeating it.
That makes me smile.

So, reversing the roles, what would you do?

I'd answer the straightforward question, like I did for you just a couple pages ago.

Like this:

Edgar Martinez's high OBP was a very good thing.

Posted by bad_luck on 2/12/2014 4:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 4:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 2/12/2014 4:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 4:21:00 PM (view original):
Why can't they be Grand Slams?   We're changing the results of 1200+ plate appearances over his career.  What's the max number of runs produced I can get from those different appearances?

You've argued for 50 pages that he should have walked less. All I'm asking is how much less.

Seems like that would be an easy question for you to answer, biz.

I don't care if he walks less.   I want him to hit more.   He can replace some of his ridiculously high number of strikeouts with a few hits if he wants and still walk to his heart's content. 

I'm assuming, of course, that we can magically change the outcome of any AB.  Not just walks. 

Troll.

Mickey Mantle does not deserve to be in the Hall of Fame by Mike's standards.

Posted by bad_luck on 2/12/2014 4:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 4:24:00 PM (view original):
I'll try to explain this to you.   Using small words.

You ask a dumb question.  Let's just say it was something along the lines of "Did EM have too high of an OBP?"
Now, if I answer that, you're likely to ask an equally dumb question later because I've responded to the first idiotic question.
If I never answer, you keep repeating it.
That makes me smile.

So, reversing the roles, what would you do?

I'd answer the straightforward question, like I did for you just a couple pages ago.

Like this:

Edgar Martinez's high OBP was a very good thing.

Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 1:51:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 2/12/2014 1:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 2/12/2014 1:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 1:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 2/12/2014 1:32:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by bad_luck on 2/12/2014 1:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 2/12/2014 12:22:00 PM (view original):
BTW, I disagree with the argument of "he struck out a lot." but that's sort of irrelevant.

We should probably look up how many times Mickey Mantle struck out. And Arod. And Mike Schmidt. And Ken Griffey. And Manny Ramirez. And Derek Jeter.

Would you care to quote the post where I said "-insert name- did NOT strike out a lot"?     Should I wait here or would you just prefer to admit you're making **** up again?

"A lot" is a relative term. You said he struck out "a lot."

Looking at other elite hitters, that's clearly false.

His K rate was 13.9%. That's 251st highest among hitters with at least 5000 plate appearances. Not "a lot" of strikeouts.

Once every 7 AB seems like "a lot" to me. 

It's not.

Mantle struck out once every 6 PA.
Mays struck out once every 8 PA

Looks like I'll be drawing the line at 6.

Mantle didn't stike out a lot like Martinez and Mays did.     White power?

Posted by bad_luck on 2/11/2014 5:59:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 2/11/2014 5:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 2/11/2014 5:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 2/11/2014 5:08:00 PM (view original):

Who asked about run values?   Tell me his stat line.     Simple AVG/OBP/SLG.     Did EM get better by working that 1-0 to a 1-1?   He may have.   I doubt it but you can look it up and say "SEE??!?!?!?  HE SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THAT STRIKE!!!!"

You talked about run values here:

Posted by MikeT23 on 2/11/2014 4:06:00 PM (view original):

He's not the only one.  I know burnsy posted "The run probability increases from .273 runs to .324 runs."    I've never seen .324 runs scored in any inning.   Sometimes a better hitter will produce 1 runs while the lesser hitter produces 0 runs.

How do you think they got those?

Oh, NOW you want to talk about that?

Are the probabilities constant for all players?  If the expected runs for a given state (outs and men on base) is .324 runs, does it matter if Edgar Martinez or Mario Mendoza is batting?

I don't think it makes a difference. The real difference between a good major league hitter and a bad major league hitter is still pretty small.  Even great hitters make an out most of the time, so the out/runner state is more important than the actual hitter when it considering the run value.

Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 5:17:00 PM (view original):
i think he talked about Mario Mendoza vs. Edgar Martinez.    And you said "The real difference between a good major league hitter and a bad major league hitter is still pretty small".   Even if you don't remember, the post is right there for you to see.

Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 5:25:00 PM (view original):
So you're going with Martinez up, 2 out, runner on 2nd is less likely to produce a run than Mendoza(or Uecker) up, 2 out, runners on 1st/2nd?

You're going to stand by that, right?