Rule V Leg #44 Draft Thread Topic

Originally created many moons ago by examinerebb, this league makes any franchise a contender (the Indians won our league last season, beating the Rockies, and a better group of owners can't be found on the site. There is much good-natured banter in the draft thread and the league chat, so bring your sense of humor. The rules are simple:

1. Each owner chooses a franchise. Franchise draft order is in inverse order of win percentage from the previous season for non-playoff teams, then inverse order of win percentage of non-World Series playoff teams, with the WS runner-up picking 23rd, and the WS champ choosing last. New owners will be assigned the draft position of any previous owners who are not returning, with the first to sign up receiving the highest slot, and so on.  Division alignment will be determined by the commissioner with feedback from other owners.  Real life division is the first determining factor, followed by geography and preserving natural rivalries.  In every phase of the draft, please sitemail the next three owners to let them know that you have picked.  This helps keep the draft moving.

2. Each owner chooses five players he/she wishes to protect from that franchise (1969-2013) and submits that list via sitemail to me. Those players are the exclusive property of their respective owners.
3. After all lists are submitted, they will be posted and a three round modified Rule V draft will be held, with draft order being inverse order of each franchise's Rule V win percentage through all legs from which we have data (the worst teams pick first).  Many thanks to schwarze for compiling this data.  Each owner selects one unprotected player from any active franchise but their own (player seasons for franchises that were not chosen are not eligible). That player is also theirs exclusively. No more than two players may be taken from any one franchise in any one round.

4. At the end of the first and second rounds, each owner will choose an additional player they wish to protect. You will end up protecting seven in all, while drafting three. These ten players must appear on your roster. The rest of the roster is filled by players from your franchise during the given time period (1969-present day).

$120 Million Cap
No trades

No clones (same player, same franchise - if a player played for more than one franchise, he is available once for each franchise)
If a player split time between multiple teams in a season (as listed at WIS) his full season is available once for each team
SLL limited to current series
Stadium must have been used by your franchise for at least one full season between 1969 and 2013
Tiebreaker for draft positions will be run differential from the previous season, worse differential picks first

For those new to the Rule V fold:

There is much good-natured ribbing during the draft (we try not to be too player-specific, so as not to influence the draft, but sometimes the temptation is too much). Do not take it personally. Pick a draft strategy and stay the course, regardless.


He Who Must Not Be Named (HWMNBN) - A former player/manager/dirtbag for the Cincinnati Reds (and later, Philadelphia Phillies and Montreal Expos) who defiled the grand game of baseball. No Rule V team has ever won a title with him, so heed jose's warnings about karma. I would imagine Lady Karma grows weary from teaching the same lesson over and over, as the ruler with which she raps offending knuckles seems to grow with each passing season.  It took a long time, but the scumbag won has now won multiple championships.  Lady Karma has stunned us all with this development.

The Single Most Overrated Pitcher of All Time (TSMOPOAT) - Nolan Ryan

The Single Most Overrated Position Player of All Time (TSMOPPOAT) - Cal Ripken, Jr.

(Both of those players designated by Vegas...see below)

Vegas - jose can u c - Our Rule V Prediction King (emeritus)

New Entry: Alleyviper's Favorite Third Baseman of All Time (AFTBOAT) - Scott Rolen (picked him in four of the last five drafts)
4/10/2014 1:32 PM
Team draft order.  Thanks to schwarze for once again compiling this data.

Franchises in RED have already been selected.

Here is the cumulative standings (with the best and worst seasons removed)

Rank Franchise Years _Wins_ Losses Wining%
1 Rays 5 314 496 0.3877
2 D'backs 10 703 917 0.4340
3 Tigers 15 1067 1363 0.4391
4 Pirates 15 1123 1307 0.4621
5 White Sox 8 610 686 0.4707
6 Rockies 11 858 924 0.4815
7 Twins 21 1643 1760 0.4828
8 Rangers 17 1335 1420 0.4846
9 Blue Jays 21 1660 1743 0.4878
10 Angels 16 1270 1322 0.4900
11 Orioles 19 1520 1559 0.4937
12 Brewers 20 1607 1636 0.4955
13 Padres 21 1686 1716 0.4956
14 Marlins 16 1290 1304 0.4973
15 Mariners 24 1942 1947 0.4994
16 Expos 25 2026 2027 0.4999
17 Mets 23 1879 1848 0.5042
18 Giants 24 1967 1922 0.5058
19 Phillies 25 2057 1996 0.5075
20 Indians 25 2058 1993 0.5080
21 Braves 24 1976 1912 0.5082
22 Cubs 17 1403 1351 0.5094
23 Red Sox 25 2069 1982 0.5107
24 Cardinals 25 2101 1950 0.5186
25 Reds 19 1600 1479 0.5196
26 Royals 22 1855 1710 0.5203
27 Yankees 21 1807 1595 0.5312
28 Dodgers 24 2079 1810 0.5346
29 A's 25 2187 1864 0.5399
30 Astros 25 2208 1843 0.5451

4/14/2014 10:46 PM (edited)
Team draft order (timed draft starts Monday 4/14)
  1. twfan 59-103 .364                         New York Yankees$
  2. tridentric 61-101 .377                   Philadelphia Phillies$
  3. buddhagamer 63-99 .389+         Houston Astros$
  4. spoonfed 64-98 .395                    Kansas City Royals$
  5. mussopini23 65-97 .401             Atlanta Braves$
  6. tjefferson 76-86 .469                    St. Louis Cardinals$
  7. marlowe 76-86 .469                     Los Angeles Dodgers$
  8. llcoach 78-84 .481                        Milwaukee Brewers$
  9. sinfonian11 81-81 .500                Oakland Athletics$
  10. ff09 81-81 .500                               Detroit Tigers$
  11. deathdealer 82-80 .506               Toronto Blue Jays$
  12. dvorr80 82-80 .506                        Seattle Mariners$
  13. schwarze 82-80 .506                     Boston Red Sox$
  14. specsman 83-79 .512                   Baltimore Orioles$
  15. spikeboots 84-78 .519                  Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals$
  16. alleyviper 90-72 .556                      Miami Marlins
  17. alice 85-77 .525*+                          Cincinnati Reds$
  18. pumpkinmcp 88-74 .543*+           San Francisco Giants$
  19. koyunlu 92-70 .568*                       Texas Rangers$
  20. trenchfoot 94-68 .580*                   New York Mets$
  21. Robin4 95-67 .586*                        Cleveland Indians$
  22. dilligafdbp 97-65 .593*+                Arizona Diamondbacks$
  23. rbow923 88-74 .543&                    Chicago Cubs$
  24. mllama54 98-64 .599%                 San Diego Padres$
$ third round keeper sent

* playoff team
+ new owner
& WS Runner-up
% WS Champion

Owner list: twfan; tridentric; buddhagamer; spoonfed; mussopini23; tjefferson; marlowe; llcoach; sinfonian11; ff09; deathdealer; dvorr80; schwarze; specsman; spikeboots; alleyviper; alice; pumpkinmcp; koyunlu; trenchfoot; Robin4; dilligafdbp; rbow923; mllama54

Division Alignment:

Montreal (spikeboots)
NY Mets (trenchfoot)
Miami (alleyviper)
Philadephia (tridentric)

Cincinnati (shaybee)
St. Louis (tjefferson)
Atlanta (mussopini)
Chi Cubs (rbow923)

Arizona (dilligafdbp)
Los Angeles (marlowe)
San Francisco (pumpkinmcp)
San Diego (mllama54)

Baltimore (specsman)
Boston (schwarze)
Toronto (deathdealer)
NY Yankees (twfan)

Cleveland (Robin4)
Detroit (ff09)
Kansas City (spoonfed)
Milwaukee (llcoach)

Oakland (sinfonian11)
Seattle (dvorr80)
Texas (koyunlu)
Houston (Disco Dogs)

4/22/2014 12:53 PM (edited)
Player Draft First Round (timed schedule starts Friday 4/18)                                                            Off the Board
  1. dilligafdbp - Arizona Diamondbacks:                    Kevin Brown - LAD
  2. ff09 - Detroit Tigers:                                                  Fernando Valenzuela - LAD                    Los Angeles Dodgers
  3. koyunlu - Texas Rangers:                                        Joe Morgan - CIN
  4. deathdealer - Toronto Blue Jays:                           Steve Carlton - PHI
  5. specsman - Baltimore Orioles:                               Fritz Peterson - NYY
  6. llcoach - Milwaukee Brewers:                                  Tim Lincecum - SFG
  7. mllama54 - San Diego Padres:                              Derek Lowe - BOS
  8. alleyviper - Miami Marlins:                                        JR Richard - HOU
  9. dvorr80 - Seattle Mariners:                                       Johnny Bench - CIN                                 Cincinnati Reds
  10. spikeboots - Montreal Expos/Nationals:               TSMOPOAT - HOU                                    Houston Astros
  11. trenchfoot - New York Mets:                                      Reggie Jackson - OAK
  12. pumpkinmcp - San Francisco Giants:                    Willie McGee - STL
  13. tridentric - Philadelphia Phillies:                              Mike Mussina - BAL
  14. Robin4 - Cleveland Indians:                                     Kevin Appier - KCR
  15. mussopini23 - Atlanta Braves:                                 Rico Petrocelli - BOS                              Boston Red Sox
  16. rbow923 - Chicago Cubs:                                         Paul O'Neill - NYY                                     New York Yankees
  17. schwarze - Boston Red Sox:                                     Tim Hudson - OAK                                  Oakland Athletics
  18. tjefferson - St. Louis Cardinals:                               John Olerud - TOR
  19. alice - Cincinnati Reds:                                             Dennis Martinez - MON/WSH
  20. spoonfed - Kansas City Royals:                              Alan Trammell - DET
  21. twfan - New York Yankees:                                       Chris Carpenter - STL                             St. Louis Cardinals
  22. marlowe - Los Angeles Dodgers:                           Kenny Lofton - CLE
  23. sinfonian11 - Oakland Athletics:                              Manny Ramirez - CLE                              Cleveland Indians
  24. buddhagamer - Houston Astros:                             Ichiro Suzuki - SEA
Player Draft Second Round (timed schedule starts Monday 4/21)                                                       Off the Board
  1. dilligafdbp - Arizona Diamondbacks:                    Hideo Nomo - LAD
  2. ff09 - Detroit Tigers:                                                  Mark McGwire - OAK
  3. koyunlu - Texas Rangers:                                        Bill Singer - LAD                                            Los Angeles Dodgers
  4. deathdealer - Toronto Blue Jays:                           Javy Lopez- ATL
  5. specsman - Baltimore Orioles:                              George Foster - CIN
  6. llcoach - Milwaukee Brewers:                                 Jacoby Ellsbury - BOS
  7. mllama54 - San Diego Padres:                              Barry Larkin - CIN                                        Cincinnati Reds
  8. alleyviper - Miami Marlins:                                        Don Wilson - HOU
  9. dvorr80 - Seattle Mariners:                                       David Wright - NYM
  10. spikeboots - Montreal Expos/Nationals:               Don Sutton - HOU                                          Houston Astros
  11. trenchfoot - New York Mets:                                      Alex Rodriguez - NYY
  12. pumpkinmcp - San Francisco Giants:                   Adrian Beltre - BOS                                      Boston Red Sox
  13. tridentric - Philadelphia Phillies:                             Billy Williams - CHC
  14. Robin4 - Cleveland Indians:                                    Bobby Murcer - NYY                                      New York Yankees
  15. mussopini23 - Atlanta Braves:                                Ted Simmons - STL
  16. rbow923 - Chicago Cubs:                                         Rich Aurillia - SFG
  17. schwarze - Boston Red Sox:                                    Tony Phillips - DET
  18. tjefferson - St. Louis Cardinals:                               Rico Carty - ATL                                            Atlanta Braves
  19. alice - Cincinnati Reds:                                             Pablo Sandoval - SFG                                  San Francisco Giants
  20. spoonfed - Kansas City Royals:                              Cole Hamels - PHI                                         
  21. twfan - New York Yankees:                                        Jose DeLeon - STL                                       St. Louis Cardinals
  22. marlowe - Los Angeles Dodgers:                           Cecil Cooper - MIL
  23. sinfonian11 - Oakland Athletics:                              Mike Napoli - TEX
  24. buddhagamer - Houston Astros:                             Howard Johnson - NYM                               New York Mets
Player Draft Third Round (timed schedule Wednesday 4/23)                                                                    Off the Board

  1. dilligafdbp - Arizona Diamondbacks:                     Andruw Jones - ATL
  2. ff09 - Detroit Tigers:                                                   JD Drew - ATL                                                  Atlanta Braves
  3. koyunlu - Texas Rangers:                                         Koji Uehara - BOS
  4. deathdealer - Toronto Blue Jays:                            Goose Gossage - NYY
  5. specsman - Baltimore Orioles:                               Jonathan Papelbon - BOS                             Boston Red Sox
  6. llcoach - Milwaukee Brewers:                                  Matt Kemp - LAD
  7. mllama54 - San Diego Padres:                              Don Mattingly - NYY                                          New York Yankees
  8. alleyviper - Miami Marlins:                                        Jim Edmonds - STL                                         
  9. dvorr80 - Seattle Mariners:                                       Cesar Cedeno - HOU
  10. spikeboots - Montreal Expos/Nationals:                Hanley Ramirez - LAD                                     Los Angeles Dodgers
  11. trenchfoot - New York Mets:                                      Ozzie Smith - STL                                             St. Louis Cardinals
  12. pumpkinmcp - San Francisco Giants:                    Larry Walker - MON/WSH
  13. tridentric - Philadelphia Phillies:                              JJ Putz - SEA
  14. Robin4 - Cleveland Indians:                                     Will Clark - SFG
  15. mussopini23 - Atlanta Braves:                                 Carlos Beltran - KCR
  16. rbow923 - Chicago Cubs:                                         Andrew Bailey - OAK
  17. schwarze - Boston Red Sox:                                     BJ Ryan - TOR
  18. tjefferson - St. Louis Cardinals:                                Rich Harden - CHC
  19. alice - Cincinnati Reds:                                              David Cone - KCR                                             Kansas City Royals
  20. spoonfed - Kansas City Royals:                              John Denny - PHI
  21. twfan - New York Yankees:                                        Bob Milacki - BAL
  22. marlowe - Los Angeles Dodgers:                            Curtis Granderson - DET
  23. sinfonian11 - Oakland Athletics:                              Gary Sheffield - SDP
  24. buddhagamer - Houston Astros:                             Chris Hoiles - BAL                                             Baltimore Orioles

4/24/2014 10:42 AM (edited)
List of keepers/draft picks.

dilligafdbp - Arizona Diamondbacks:  Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling, JJ Putz, Luis Gonzalez, Paul Goldschmidt, Kevin Brown - LAD, Miguel Montero, Hideo Nomo - LAD, Aaron Hill, Andruw Jones - ATL

ff09 - Detroit Tigers:  Justin Verlander, Max Scherzer, Magglio Ordonez, Miguel Cabrera, Placido Polanco, Fernando Valenzuela - LAD, Willie Hernandez, Mark McGwire - OAK, Carlos Guillen, JD Drew - ATL

koyunlu - Texas Rangers:  Alex Rodriguez, Ivan Rodriguez, Josh Hamilton, Rafael Palmeiro, TSMOPOAT, Joe Morgan - CIN, Dick Bosman, Bill Singer - LAD, Juan Gonzalez, Koji Uehara - BOS

deathdealer - Toronto Blue Jays:  Carlos Delgado, Jose Bautista, Roberto Alomar, Tony Fernandez, Roger Clemens, Steve Carlton - PHI, Mark Eichhorn, Javy Lopez - ATL, Jimmy Key,  Goose Gossage - NYY

specsman - Baltimore Orioles:  Mike Cuellar, Jim Palmer, TSMOPPOAT, Chris Davis, Brady Anderson, Fritz Peterson - NYY, Roberto Alomar, George Foster - CIN, Melvin Mora, Jonathan Papelbon - BOS

llcoach - Milwaukee Brewers:  Teddy Higuera, Ben Sheets, Paul Molitor, Robin Yount, Prince Fielder, Tim Lincecum - SFG, Rollie Fingers, Jacoby Ellsbury - BOS, Ryan Braun, Matt Kemp - LAD

mllama54 - San Diego Padres:  Tony Gwynn, Ken Caminiti, Jake Peavy, Kevin Brown, Randy Jones, Derek Lowe - BOS, Mark Loretta, Barry Larkin - CIN, Trevor Hoffman, Don Mattingly - NYY

alleyviper - Miami Marlins:  Kevin Brown, Jose Fernandez, Miguel Cabrera, Hanley Ramirez, Gary Sheffield, JR Richard - HOU, Mike Piazza, Don Wilson - HOU, Bryan Harvey, Jim Edmonds - STL

dvorr80 - Seattle Mariners:  Alex Rodriguez, Ken Griffey, Jr., Bret Boone, Randy Johnson, Felix Hernandez, Johnny Bench - CIN, Edgar Martinez, David Wright - NYM, Cliff Lee, Cesar Cedeno - HOU

spikeboots - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals:  Tim Raines, Vladimir Guerrero, Gary Carter, Pedro Martinez, Tim Burke, TSMOPOAT - HOU, Pascual Perez, Don Sutton - HOU, Jose Vidro, Hanley Ramirez - LAD

trenchfoot - New York Mets:  Dwight Gooden, Tom Seaver, Pedro Martinez, Matt Harvey, Carlos Beltran, Reggie Jackson - OAK, Mike Piazza, Alex Rodriguez - NYY, Edgardo Alfonso, Ozzie Smith - STL

pumpkinmcp - San Francisco Giants:  Barry Bonds, Willie McCovey, Jeff Kent, Juan Marichal, Jason Schmidt, Willie McGee - STL, Buster Posey, Adrian Beltre - BOS, Matt Cain, Larry Walker - MON/WSH

tridentric - Philadelphia Phillies:  Mike Schmidt, Ryan Howard, Chase Utley, Bobby Abreu, Curt Schilling, Mike Mussina - BAL, Lenny Dykstra, Billy Williams - CHC, Jimmy Rollins, JJ Putz - SEA

Robin4 - Cleveland Indians:  Jim Thome, Roberto Alomar, Albert Belle, Gaylord Perry, Cliff Lee, Kevin Appier - KCR, CC Sabathia, Bobby Murcer - NYY, Rafael Betancourt, Will Clark - SFG

mussopini23 - Atlanta Braves:  Greg Maddux, John Smoltz, Kevin Millwood, Chipper Jones, Hank Aaron, Rico Petrocelli - BOS, Craig Kimbrel, Ted Simmons - STL, Kris Medlen, Carlos Beltran - KCR

rbow923 - Chicago Cubs:  Greg Maddux, Bruce Sutter, Sammy Sosa, Ryne Sandberg, Derrek Lee, Paul O'Neill - NYY, Rick Wilkins, Rich Aurillia - SFG, Aramis Ramirez, Andrew Bailey - OAK

schwarze - Boston Red Sox:  Wade Boggs, Fred Lynn, Carl Yastrzemski, Pedro Martinez, Roger Clemens, Tim Hudson - OAK, Nomar Garciaparra, Tony Phillips - DET, Carlton Fisk, BJ Ryan - TOR

tjefferson - St. Louis Cardinals:  John Tudor, Bob Gibson, Albert Pujols, Mark McGwire, Joe Torre, John Olerud - TOR, AFTBOAT, Rico Carty - ATL, Adam Wainwright, Rich Harden - CHC

alice - Cincinnati Reds:  HWMNBN, Bip Roberts, Ken Griffey, Sr., Tom Seaver, Aroldis Chapman, Dennis Martinez - MON/WSH, Joey Votto, Pablo Sandoval - SFG, Jose Rijo, David Cone - KCR

spoonfed - Kansas City Royals:  Mike Sweeney, Jose Offerman, George Brett, Roger Nelson, Bret Saberhagen, Alan Trammell - DET, Willie Wilson, Cole Hamels - PHI, Darrell Porter, John Denny - PHI

twfan - New York Yankees:  Rickey Henderson, Derek Jeter, Robinson Cano, Catfish Hunter, Ron Guidry, Chris Carpenter - STL, Bernie Williams, Jose DeLeon - STL, Mariano Rivera, Bob Milacki - BAL

marlowe - Los Angeles Dodgers:  Clayton Kershaw, Don Sutton, Orel Hershiser, Mike Piazza, Adrian Beltre, Kenny Lofton - CLE, Eric Gagne, Cecil Cooper - MIL, Rafael Furcal, Curtis Granderson - DET

sinfonian11 - Oakland Athletics:  Rickey Henderson, Jason Giambi, Vida Blue, Catfish Hunter, Mike Norris, Manny Ramirez- CLE, Dennis Eckersley, Mike Napoli - TEX, Miguel Tejada, Gary Sheffield - SDP

buddhagamer - Houston Astros:  Mike Scott, Roger Clemens, Craig Biggio, Jeff Bagwell, Lance Berkman, Ichiro Suzuki - SEA, Larry Dierker, Howard Johnson - NYM, Billy Wagner, Chris Hoiles - BAL

4/24/2014 10:42 AM (edited)
Just a heads up...the first three owners to pick (twfan, tridentric, Disco Dogs) have not opened the sitemail I sent early this afternoon.  It might be best to wait for them to pick, rather than go ahead with the time slots tomorrow.  
4/10/2014 11:06 PM
Move the 'time slots' to Monday, and go off the clock til then...

Just a suggestion...

4/11/2014 10:04 AM
I think it's a good one.  I'll send another sitemail to let everyone know about that change.  Sorry for the delay, but I think a few owners were probably caught off guard by the start of the league after a delay of a few weeks.
4/11/2014 10:35 AM
what if they gave a draft and nobody came?
4/12/2014 12:05 AM
Sorry been on a fishing trip

Going with the Evil Empire

NY Yankees

Can't bold
4/12/2014 12:51 PM
4/13/2014 12:40 AM
4/13/2014 6:19 PM
Two picks all weekend???
4/13/2014 7:25 PM

Jeez I know, it is my personal favorite recurring league but generally speaking amongst it's owners it's also the slackest league I've played in with regards to getting it started.That's not a complaint, just stating a fact.

4/13/2014 9:16 PM
Well, the good news is that the timed schedule starts today. Was also hoping we'd be at least close to finishing the franchise draft. Sigh.
4/14/2014 8:30 AM
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