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Posted by tecwrg on 6/16/2014 5:16:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 6/16/2014 5:09:00 PM (view original):
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Posted by tecwrg on 6/16/2014 3:22:00 PM (view original):
Would you prefer that I take it away?

I'll do that if you wish.

Let me know.

No, honestly. Why give it?

If all money is equal in utility, why allow the first $60,000 to not be taxed?
You also didn't answer the question.
I retract my previous proposal and replace it with a 25.83% flat tax for everybody.

Your continued insistence that there was a problem with my original plan opened my eyes, and helped me see how the exemption was a bad idea.

Thank you for that.
Collecting 25.83% from everyone would be a significant tax increase on the poor and middle class and a big tax cut for the upper class. Is that what you're advocating?

So yes?
6/16/2014 5:19 PM
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You're doing the "ask the same question over and over" thing again, BL.
6/16/2014 5:20 PM
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He's kinda slow.
6/16/2014 5:38 PM
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Posted by burnsy483 on 6/16/2014 5:20:00 PM (view original):
You're doing the "ask the same question over and over" thing again, BL.
Yeah but if tec says, "I'd do the 25% rate for everyone."

And then in a couple days when this is still being argued, I say something like, "you're the one arguing for a tax increase on the poor and middle class."

tec's response will be: "I never argued for that."

And around we go. A simple yes here takes care of that circle jerk.
6/16/2014 5:40 PM
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FROM PAGE SIX:  My first and one of the few entries into this particular C.J.

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How many of the people that have posted here are making minimum wage?

I wager none of you are making minimum wage.  

I suspect people that get minimum wage to start get a raise within 3 to 6 months.

If I apply for a fast food job tomorrow, I bet I'm hired on at more than minimum wage unless it's a mom and pop.

So the question is:  What percentage of the work force is paid minimum wage?

10%?  5%?  2%?  1%?  Less than 1%?

I suspect it's less than 1%.  Perhaps half of that.  And you're not there for long. 

Most of those workers should be teenagers and it should be their first job.

If injured on the job their medical bills are paid for and they are compensated at 60%.

In other  words…..this is not a crisis. 
6/16/2014 5:48 PM
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Posted by bad_luck on 6/16/2014 5:40:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 6/16/2014 5:20:00 PM (view original):
You're doing the "ask the same question over and over" thing again, BL.
Yeah but if tec says, "I'd do the 25% rate for everyone."

And then in a couple days when this is still being argued, I say something like, "you're the one arguing for a tax increase on the poor and middle class."

tec's response will be: "I never argued for that."

And around we go. A simple yes here takes care of that circle jerk.
Are the poor and middle class currently paying 25%?
6/16/2014 6:07 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 6/16/2014 6:07:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 6/16/2014 5:40:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 6/16/2014 5:20:00 PM (view original):
You're doing the "ask the same question over and over" thing again, BL.
Yeah but if tec says, "I'd do the 25% rate for everyone."

And then in a couple days when this is still being argued, I say something like, "you're the one arguing for a tax increase on the poor and middle class."

tec's response will be: "I never argued for that."

And around we go. A simple yes here takes care of that circle jerk.
Are the poor and middle class currently paying 25%?
See, I could be like you here and give some non-committal, wishy-washy avoiding the question by asking another question bullshit answer.

Instead:

No, they are not.
6/16/2014 6:10 PM
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Posted by burnsy483 on 6/16/2014 5:07:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 6/16/2014 5:04:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 6/16/2014 4:59:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 6/16/2014 4:49:00 PM (view original):
I'm not assuming anything.  You listed some examples of people who took money off the table and said "No thanks."   I listed people we know have made a lot of money and are saying "I'd like some more please."
Yea, they have a lot of money and also still want a lot more.
So why do you insist the 2nd million is less important than the first?    Or that they miss their tax money less than you do?
Everyone has a price.  Would you be a lead actor in a movie for $100?

No.

$1000?
No.

$50000?
Ehhh.....

$500,000?
Yes.

But Clooney's number is higher.  It's likely because he has a shitton of money already and doesn't need to put in that work for a measly $500K.  He'll just stop making movies.  The value of his next dollar probably isn't as high as yours.

Make sense?
That's because he is skilled enough to do that job and you get paid what you're worth. Opportunity cost. Just like lebron he can command more pay because he is better than a 7th man. Working for $100,000 when someone else will pay him $120 million would be stupid.

6/16/2014 6:17 PM
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And from mchalesarmy pg #4:

Most unions pay scales are DIRECTLY tied to the national minimum wage. 

Make no mistake. When the minimum wage is increased, the "minimum wage" in nearly every union also increases. 

Furthermore, and which is why if you dig deep enough you'll find that EVERY attempt to raise the minimum wage is HEAVILY supported by Unions, UNLIKE the real world, where after two years Timmy and Tommy are now making the same wage again, unions will increase EVERY members pay, precisely to avoid the Tommy/Timmy issue.

Now put your thinking cap on and ask yourself  "why the overwhelming support for a hike in minimum wage from unions who make far more than minimum wage"?

AND THERE YOU GO:  This is not a crisis or even a debate.  It is politics meant to buy votes.  When you can't win in the arena of ideas…..spend other peoples money.

6/16/2014 6:22 PM
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Posted by bad_luck on 6/16/2014 6:10:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 6/16/2014 6:07:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 6/16/2014 5:40:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 6/16/2014 5:20:00 PM (view original):
You're doing the "ask the same question over and over" thing again, BL.
Yeah but if tec says, "I'd do the 25% rate for everyone."

And then in a couple days when this is still being argued, I say something like, "you're the one arguing for a tax increase on the poor and middle class."

tec's response will be: "I never argued for that."

And around we go. A simple yes here takes care of that circle jerk.
Are the poor and middle class currently paying 25%?
See, I could be like you here and give some non-committal, wishy-washy avoiding the question by asking another question bullshit answer.

Instead:

No, they are not.
So . . . ?
6/16/2014 6:24 PM
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So...I don't see why you have such a hard time giving a yes or no answer.
6/16/2014 6:26 PM
tecwrg
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You can't figure it out for yourself?

Is it because you're slow?
6/16/2014 7:31 PM
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I just don't understand your resistance. It seems like a lot more work to constantly avoid providing a clear yes or no answer.

But ok, in your mind, signigicantly raising taxes on the poor is a good idea. You're a dumbass.
6/16/2014 7:47 PM
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You're the one who seems to want to raise taxes on the poor.

My original plan had a significant exemption on taxable income.  You kept insisting there was a problem with that.  I reluctantly change it.  And now, here we are.

It's as if you're bi-polar.
6/16/2014 8:18 PM
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Posted by burnsy483 on 6/16/2014 5:20:00 PM (view original):
You're doing the "ask the same question over and over" thing again, BL.
NO ******* WAY!!!!  BL wouldn't do that.
6/16/2014 9:03 PM
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