Posted by gillispie1 on 5/10/2014 5:04:00 PM (view original):
Posted by nachopuzzle on 5/10/2014 4:16:00 PM (view original):for starters, i know you agree this is collusion, and all that. just trying to have the discussion on what is actually wrong and why (outside the official definition), like you are :)
Posted by gillispie1 on 5/10/2014 4:00:00 PM (view original):no, jtt was the one that brought up the notion on "any" information. I was only talking about the situations were a coach was recruiting more players than he had scholarships for...that if another coach asked them which recruits they were seriously considering then it wouldn't be collusion to answer the question as long as they didn't discriminate between any coaches that ask, i.e. they either answered the question for all coaches that asked or non at all.
dangerous? no, just on the slippery slope... once you say someone can trade information, as long as they will tell anyone who asks, whats to stop it from progressing to the tanner like situation you are so abhorred by? even if others asked, and they were like yeah - these 30 great players are being drafted - you are powerless to do anything to stop it. you can try... but given that none of those schools have to worry about battling each other, its gonna be a tough spot for you, and grossly unfair. by your rules, as i understand them, this would be allowed because if others asked who was being drafted, they would get that information freely.
anyway, so if you are ok with someone asking a coach something like this, as long as he answers say, all 3 coaches that ask him - what all are you allowed to ask? it can't *just* be when a coach is recruiting more players than he wants, is it? what makes one case ok, and another, not ok?
ahhhh, good question, if memory serves me right I think a while back me and you went back and forth a bit on what I'm about to bring up.
And as a disclaimer: I do not utilize, endorse, or encourage such practices because they are strictly forbidden by the fairplay guidelines. The position I am defending is for arguments sake only.
The only other situation, besides the one previously discussed, whereby I think there is some wiggle room when it comes to communication between coaches on the subject of recruits/recruiting is the areas relating to transfer players. I don't see a problem with contacting a recruits former coach in order to inquire about potentials, and also, I don't see any problems with a recruits former coach answering as long as he or she doesn't discriminate in who they disseminate that information to, i.e. provide information to all inquiring coaches or non at all.
In real life, you're kidding yourself if think coaches don't pick up the phone and contact a transfer player's former coach to inquire about the circumstances surrounding the players dismissal/leaving, as well as information regarding that players capabilities.