Posted by macdee on 8/22/2014 7:02:00 PM (view original):I should not give me secret away seeing I have not played harris as of now but I look for a passing QB seeing I try to run somewhat of a West Coast offense. As of Stats I seeing GI, Str and Tech all being about the same. I also like players with somewhat high Form IQ and GPA due to I feel they run the forms better.
Posted by tigerpark135 on 8/22/2014 1:59:00 PM (view original):I (respectfully) disagree with almost every post thus far. I will go through all attributes both primary and secondary. First off, secondary attributes:(ATH, SPD, ELU) Avoiding sacks and scrambling for positive yardage when receiving targets are covered. Both avoiding sacks and scrambling are completely unnecessary if your OL is very good and receivers are very good rendering secondary attribute well "just that-secondary". Next up, primary attributes and there is much debate to this. (TECH, GI, and STR) and debate has raged about what order to put these in. Lets start with strength. The stronger a QB's arm is the more this increases accuracy(tech) for deeper passes. Lack of STR can be successfully counter balanced for never passing deeper than "Medium". GI appears to be the QB's ability to "choose" the proper target. The wide open target vs the tight coverage target or even the knowledge to "scramble". If you use a shotgun with targets all over the field than it would make sense to have a qb with high GI. Also, I believe the higher the GI; the quicker the decision making will be hence less chance of sacks. Low GI can also be counter balanced obviously a great OL(to buy time) and not allowing your qb any options; forcing your QB to throw to one target only. TECH- well after all the above has been determined eventually your QB will have to deliver an "accurate throw". Technique is the life line of this checkdown. Imagine this scenerio with me for a minute; a High GI, high STR, LOW tech qb. Your Best WR is wide open on a 8 yard out pattern. Your incredibly smart qb with a cannon of an arm quickly identifies your wide open wr and fires one off to him that ends up taking off an unsuspecting cheerleader's head named Butthole Becky 12 yards off the sideline. OK in all seriousness; putting the visual GUI aside; the higher the TECH the higher the completion %(with everything else remaining equal. In conclusion, my experiences and excel spreadsheets have shown me that of the Primary attributes only TECH has no "work around". And if receiving targets and OL are good enough then there ZERO need for secondary attributes. My official advise is to get the best QB you possibly can and do whatever you feel is correct.
Posted by docfunk on 8/23/2014 9:05:00 AM (view original):Posted by tigerpark135 on 8/22/2014 1:59:00 PM (view original):I (respectfully) disagree with almost every post thus far. I will go through all attributes both primary and secondary. First off, secondary attributes:(ATH, SPD, ELU) Avoiding sacks and scrambling for positive yardage when receiving targets are covered. Both avoiding sacks and scrambling are completely unnecessary if your OL is very good and receivers are very good rendering secondary attribute well "just that-secondary". Next up, primary attributes and there is much debate to this. (TECH, GI, and STR) and debate has raged about what order to put these in. Lets start with strength. The stronger a QB's arm is the more this increases accuracy(tech) for deeper passes. Lack of STR can be successfully counter balanced for never passing deeper than "Medium". GI appears to be the QB's ability to "choose" the proper target. The wide open target vs the tight coverage target or even the knowledge to "scramble". If you use a shotgun with targets all over the field than it would make sense to have a qb with high GI. Also, I believe the higher the GI; the quicker the decision making will be hence less chance of sacks. Low GI can also be counter balanced obviously a great OL(to buy time) and not allowing your qb any options; forcing your QB to throw to one target only. TECH- well after all the above has been determined eventually your QB will have to deliver an "accurate throw". Technique is the life line of this checkdown. Imagine this scenerio with me for a minute; a High GI, high STR, LOW tech qb. Your Best WR is wide open on a 8 yard out pattern. Your incredibly smart qb with a cannon of an arm quickly identifies your wide open wr and fires one off to him that ends up taking off an unsuspecting cheerleader's head named Butthole Becky 12 yards off the sideline. OK in all seriousness; putting the visual GUI aside; the higher the TECH the higher the completion %(with everything else remaining equal. In conclusion, my experiences and excel spreadsheets have shown me that of the Primary attributes only TECH has no "work around". And if receiving targets and OL are good enough then there ZERO need for secondary attributes. My official advise is to get the best QB you possibly can and do whatever you feel is correct. Hmmm so what happens when your playing in the CC or NC game ? Do you honestly think your great OL and WR's are going to be much better than the DL and secondary of the team your against? I think not in most cases, i myself have noticed bigger plays and bigtime scrambles for huge first downs or even TD's with a well rounded QB(wish i had right now) with high ATHL Speed and Elus and of coarse solid primary attributes GI,Str , tech and i also think of coarse formation iq should not be taken lightly. Tyvm and have a nice day.
Posted by tigerpark135 on 8/24/2014 1:11:00 AM (view original):Posted by docfunk on 8/23/2014 9:05:00 AM (view original):Posted by tigerpark135 on 8/22/2014 1:59:00 PM (view original):I (respectfully) disagree with almost every post thus far. I will go through all attributes both primary and secondary. First off, secondary attributes:(ATH, SPD, ELU) Avoiding sacks and scrambling for positive yardage when receiving targets are covered. Both avoiding sacks and scrambling are completely unnecessary if your OL is very good and receivers are very good rendering secondary attribute well "just that-secondary". Next up, primary attributes and there is much debate to this. (TECH, GI, and STR) and debate has raged about what order to put these in. Lets start with strength. The stronger a QB's arm is the more this increases accuracy(tech) for deeper passes. Lack of STR can be successfully counter balanced for never passing deeper than "Medium". GI appears to be the QB's ability to "choose" the proper target. The wide open target vs the tight coverage target or even the knowledge to "scramble". If you use a shotgun with targets all over the field than it would make sense to have a qb with high GI. Also, I believe the higher the GI; the quicker the decision making will be hence less chance of sacks. Low GI can also be counter balanced obviously a great OL(to buy time) and not allowing your qb any options; forcing your QB to throw to one target only. TECH- well after all the above has been determined eventually your QB will have to deliver an "accurate throw". Technique is the life line of this checkdown. Imagine this scenerio with me for a minute; a High GI, high STR, LOW tech qb. Your Best WR is wide open on a 8 yard out pattern. Your incredibly smart qb with a cannon of an arm quickly identifies your wide open wr and fires one off to him that ends up taking off an unsuspecting cheerleader's head named Butthole Becky 12 yards off the sideline. OK in all seriousness; putting the visual GUI aside; the higher the TECH the higher the completion %(with everything else remaining equal. In conclusion, my experiences and excel spreadsheets have shown me that of the Primary attributes only TECH has no "work around". And if receiving targets and OL are good enough then there ZERO need for secondary attributes. My official advise is to get the best QB you possibly can and do whatever you feel is correct. Hmmm so what happens when your playing in the CC or NC game ? Do you honestly think your great OL and WR's are going to be much better than the DL and secondary of the team your against? I think not in most cases, i myself have noticed bigger plays and bigtime scrambles for huge first downs or even TD's with a well rounded QB(wish i had right now) with high ATHL Speed and Elus and of coarse solid primary attributes GI,Str , tech and i also think of coarse formation iq should not be taken lightly. Tyvm and have a nice day.If you are playing in the NC game then chances are you have developed a recruiting strategy and starting a freshman QB is a moot point. If this is indeed the case then the qb in question is riding the pine and gaining secondary attributes. Look, what I really meant to say was that in recruiting I feel that the secondary attributes can be sacrificed because they will develope at a fairly quickly rate.
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