Mike Trout Topic

Posted by The Taint on 11/6/2015 4:56:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 11/6/2015 1:07:00 PM (view original):
This article states, in it's conclusion

"So while I would not argue definitively that baseball has reached its tipping point with regard to batter strikeouts, I can demonstrate that a stronger correlation exists between a low batter strikeout percentage and win total in the context of today’s game than it once did. Not only that, but strikeout rate is the only measure that is more strongly correlated to winning percentage today that it was a decade ago. Every other measure has held strong or diminished in importance, which has tended to elevate perennial low-strikeout teams such as the Cardinals, Giants, Rangers, Royals and Tigers to an advantageous position during both the regular season and playoffs.
I said this 50 pages ago.
If it doesn't correlate to run scoring, it isn't the cause of the wins.

This is obvious.
11/6/2015 6:16 PM
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11/9/2015 12:36 PM
Posted by dahsdebater on 11/6/2015 8:36:00 PM (view original):
Not necessarily.

I'd wager that amongst players with similar oWAR numbers, there is at least a slight trend towards guys with higher Ks having higher salaries.  So you could get the same offensive production from two teams, but you might expect that more often than not, the team with more Ks cost more.  That leaves fewer resources for defense and pitching.  Before free agency, your statement is inherently true.  During the era of free agency, when only 1 or 2 teams can actually afford to buy the best talent that wants to play for them at every position, there are economic tradeoffs.

I took a look at 2015 salaries, K rates, and wRC+.

I broke wRC+ down into three sections, >150, 130-139, and 110-129.

It doesn't look like players with a higher K rate cost more relative to players with a lower K rate and similar offensive production.

Disclaimer, the sample is relatively small (58 in the largest group), and only looks at 2015 production vs 2015 salary. Most of the long term deals were signed at least a couple years before, so the salary is likely based on past production.

Still, there isn't a publicly accessible salary & stats database that I could find, so I had to piece a couple together.

Here is the 110-129 plot, $5,000 = $5 million:






11/9/2015 5:02 PM
BL must have said something extra stupid as he deleted a post between dahs and tec.. 
11/9/2015 7:28 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 11/9/2015 7:28:00 PM (view original):
BL must have said something extra stupid as he deleted a post between dahs and tec.. 
Is EXTRA stupid even an option for BL?
11/9/2015 7:46 PM
Eh, I was kinda wishy-washy. I didn't know if I even agreed with dahs' premise, let alone his conclusion. I deleted it and replaced it with my post above.
11/9/2015 7:57 PM
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11/9/2015 8:24 PM
NATIVE AMERICAN MONTH, TONTO!!!!!
11/9/2015 8:25 PM
PDB!
11/13/2015 2:01 PM
BUMP FOR RELEVANCY!!!!!
6/20/2016 10:47 AM
Yep. It was after his 2014 season when he whiffed 184 times.
11/6/2017 4:42 PM
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