2017 HOF Ballot Topic

11/24/2015 7:02 AM
Posted by bad_luck on 11/23/2015 7:00:00 PM (view original):
The list of position players with 70+ WAR who are eligible but not in the Hall of Fame is very, very short:

Bagwell
Palmeiro
Grich
Trammell
Walker
Bonds
Whitaker
Dahlen


Yeah, like this.  What was the point of this post if not to imply that there is (or should be) a correlation of high career WAR totals and the HOF?

Unless he's campaigning to put "Bad Bill" Dahlen in the Hall.

11/24/2015 7:14 AM
There are two guarantees on this board:

1.  BL will turn every discussion into a HOF discussion
2.  BL will utilize WAR in every discussion

OK, three.   bronxcheer will be an idiot.

11/24/2015 8:38 AM
Posted by tecwrg on 11/24/2015 7:14:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 11/23/2015 7:00:00 PM (view original):
The list of position players with 70+ WAR who are eligible but not in the Hall of Fame is very, very short:

Bagwell
Palmeiro
Grich
Trammell
Walker
Bonds
Whitaker
Dahlen


Yeah, like this.  What was the point of this post if not to imply that there is (or should be) a correlation of high career WAR totals and the HOF?

Unless he's campaigning to put "Bad Bill" Dahlen in the Hall.

Are you stupid?

There absolutely is a correlation (more than a correlation, really) between high career WAR and the HOF.

But, that wasn't really the point of the post. The point was, maybe Larry Walker belongs. People discount what he did because of Coors field, but two stats that adjust for ballpark--WAR and OPS+--are HOF level.
11/24/2015 9:23 AM
And therein lies the stupidity of your argument.  Nobody seriously thinks that Larry Walker is a HOFer.  Yet you see his career WAR and, like a monkey mesmerized by a shiny dangling object, say "WOW!  72.6!!!  Yeah, maybe he belongs!!!"

SO . . .

Bill Dahlen for the HOF, because he has a comparable career WAR to Larry Walker?

11/24/2015 9:55 AM (edited)
This should keep him distracted for awhile.



11/24/2015 9:59 AM
Maybe Walker deserves "serious consideration" like Lofton.
11/24/2015 10:00 AM
Posted by tecwrg on 11/24/2015 9:55:00 AM (view original):
And therein lies the stupidity of your argument.  Nobody seriously thinks that Larry Walker is a HOFer.  Yet you see his career WAR and, like a monkey mesmerized by a shiny dangling object, say "WOW!  72.6!!!  Yeah, maybe he belongs!!!"

SO . . .

Bill Dahlen for the HOF, because he has a comparable career WAR to Larry Walker?

So, looking at evidence and saying, "maybe he deserves a look," is stupid in your book?
11/24/2015 10:03 AM
Posted by bad_luck on 11/24/2015 10:03:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 11/24/2015 9:55:00 AM (view original):
And therein lies the stupidity of your argument.  Nobody seriously thinks that Larry Walker is a HOFer.  Yet you see his career WAR and, like a monkey mesmerized by a shiny dangling object, say "WOW!  72.6!!!  Yeah, maybe he belongs!!!"

SO . . .

Bill Dahlen for the HOF, because he has a comparable career WAR to Larry Walker?

So, looking at evidence and saying, "maybe he deserves a look," is stupid in your book?
If your "evidence" is a single number that summarizes a 17 MLB career . . . yeah, that's stupid. 

Even Bill Dahlen (75.2 WAR!!!) would agree.
11/24/2015 10:13 AM
Are you suggesting his "evidence" includes something more than WAR?    Because, if so, I don't think you understand BL.
11/24/2015 10:15 AM
Posted by tecwrg on 11/24/2015 10:13:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 11/24/2015 10:03:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 11/24/2015 9:55:00 AM (view original):
And therein lies the stupidity of your argument.  Nobody seriously thinks that Larry Walker is a HOFer.  Yet you see his career WAR and, like a monkey mesmerized by a shiny dangling object, say "WOW!  72.6!!!  Yeah, maybe he belongs!!!"

SO . . .

Bill Dahlen for the HOF, because he has a comparable career WAR to Larry Walker?

So, looking at evidence and saying, "maybe he deserves a look," is stupid in your book?
If your "evidence" is a single number that summarizes a 17 MLB career . . . yeah, that's stupid. 

Even Bill Dahlen (75.2 WAR!!!) would agree.
WAR is useful in Hall of Fame evaluations. It includes defensive value, longevity, and adjusts for era and ballpark. So yeah, that's the big clue that maybe Walker belongs.
11/24/2015 10:21 AM
Anyone who watched baseball during Larry Walker's career knows he doesn't belong in the HOF.  Just like Alan Trammell.
11/24/2015 10:38 AM
If he had been more durable and actually played full seasons it would be a different discussion.  4 seasons with over 130 games played?  Averaged about 110 games a year?  Meh.
11/24/2015 10:42 AM
Put 1997 Larry Walker in the HOF!!
11/24/2015 11:01 AM
Posted by The Taint on 11/24/2015 10:42:00 AM (view original):
If he had been more durable and actually played full seasons it would be a different discussion.  4 seasons with over 130 games played?  Averaged about 110 games a year?  Meh.
He had 10 seasons with at least 130 games played. What Larry Walker are you looking at?
11/24/2015 11:32 AM
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