Posted by bronxcheer on 1/21/2016 3:39:00 PM (view original):
NO

SECONDED

This whole process feels woefully incomplete.

Might as well think Yaz was better than Musial.

YE QUESTION WAS ANSWERED

RUN ALONG

Posted by edsortails on 1/21/2016 3:34:00 PM (view original):
Shouldn't set up guy have a top 10?

What about lefty specialist?

Top 10 placeholders in NFL
Top 10 long snappers in NFL

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/20/2016 7:02:00 AM (view original):
Sez the dude who just put Babe Ruth 2nd at his position. 

That invalidates any opinion you have. 

Aaron > Ruth. that's why.

Posted by dahsdebater on 1/20/2016 12:39:00 PM (view original):
That's a perfectly reasonable perspective, but given that Musial's war-year dominance was also during the segregation period, that argument doesn't really help Musial out...  Pre-1998 Bonds still has a better career OPS+ than Musial, even without removing the war years.  So I'm not really worried about PEDs to rank him ahead of Musial.

To think about this in a different way... Musial had the best career of these 3 guys because of longevity if for no other reason.  But realistically, in a peak-performance GOAT discussion, does he really come in ahead of Ralph Kiner or Hank Greenberg?

My father saw Musial play - a lot - in Ebbitts field. when I was a kid, He saw all of the greats play - Mays, Mantle, Aaron, on and on. He told me Musial was every bit as good. My Grandfather - who saw everyone from Ruth to Bonds play agreed. Both of them were hardly Cardinals fans. The rooted for the Dodgers and the Giants. The numbers back it up. I don't see Musial as anything but a top 10 player. And he deserves to be on the list.

Musial might be one of the top ten players ever, but he's still only the 2nd or 3rd best Left Fielder ever

Posted by bad_luck on 1/20/2016 1:57:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 1/20/2016 12:39:00 PM (view original):
That's a perfectly reasonable perspective, but given that Musial's war-year dominance was also during the segregation period, that argument doesn't really help Musial out...  Pre-1998 Bonds still has a better career OPS+ than Musial, even without removing the war years.  So I'm not really worried about PEDs to rank him ahead of Musial.

To think about this in a different way... Musial had the best career of these 3 guys because of longevity if for no other reason.  But realistically, in a peak-performance GOAT discussion, does he really come in ahead of Ralph Kiner or Hank Greenberg?

Also, Bonds used PEDs, but so did a significant amount of the rest of the league. It's not like he was the only one. He was juiced, dominating against guys who were also juiced.

Not exactly analogous to Musial playing against replacement players.

Bonds was already a top 5 player before he started to stick himself.

Posted by toddcommish on 1/21/2016 6:22:00 PM (view original):
Musial might be one of the top ten players ever, but he's still only the 2nd or 3rd best Left Fielder ever

Is he a left fielder or right fielder? I have him as the 3rd best right fielder

Posted by toddcommish on 1/21/2016 6:22:00 PM (view original):
Musial might be one of the top ten players ever, but he's still only the 2nd or 3rd best Left Fielder ever

I have him second at first base behind Gehrig.

"In front of Jimmy Foxx?" Yes.

"In front of Pujols?" Yes.

"In front of Miguel Cabrera?" Yes

"In front of Hank Greenberg?" Yes.

Posted by d_rock97 on 1/21/2016 6:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by toddcommish on 1/21/2016 6:22:00 PM (view original):
Musial might be one of the top ten players ever, but he's still only the 2nd or 3rd best Left Fielder ever

Is he a left fielder or right fielder? I have him as the 3rd best right fielder

He played the most at 1B, followed by LF, then RF, then about 2 seasons worth of CF.

I listed him at LF because he played the most in LF of the outfield positions, and he played more outfield than first.  If I'd listed him at 1st I would have had him 3rd behind Gehrig and Foxx.

Looking at the Tigers projected roster, I see an 87 win team. At best. They ain't going anywhere.

Posted by sjpoker on 1/21/2016 6:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/20/2016 7:02:00 AM (view original):
Sez the dude who just put Babe Ruth 2nd at his position. 

That invalidates any opinion you have. 

Aaron > Ruth. that's why.

really? what have you been smoking? Nothing against Aaron, he was very good for a very long time, but Ruth was great for a long time.

Posted by sjpoker on 2/4/2016 7:02:00 AM (view original):
Looking at the Tigers projected roster, I see an 87 win team. At best. They ain't going anywhere.

Right now, they are an 87 win team but they got a lot of ifs.
Can Verlander pitch like he did in the second half?
Can Anibal Sanchez stay healthy?
Can Kinsler repeat last season?
Will Castellanos continue to improve?
Can McCann hit righties?
Will Jordan Zimmerman stay healthy (most innings pitched last 5 seasons I believe)?
Will J.D. Continue to be a top 5 hitting RF?
Will Justin Upton finally reach his potential?
Will Anthony Goss take the next step?
Can K-Rod remain an elite closer despite his fastball continuing to lose velocity?
Can Ausmus manage?
It's a good squad but there are too many questions.
Hopefully Shane Greene recovers fully and can pitch like he did last April.