Posted by bagchucker on 2/9/2016 5:47:00 PM (view original):
that is exactly what i have always thought about triples

the most exciting play in baseball



rickey rounds 2nd, for example

put your favorite right fielder in right, can he nail rickey
hmm, Clemente throwing from right, Rickey rounding second. You have a point. I must meditate on this, but first have to concentrate on tonight's effort to finally bring about a socialist toppling of the Clinton-Wall Street axis starting in New England. Then on to triples. Thanks.
2/9/2016 7:12 PM
Posted by toddcommish on 2/9/2016 6:06:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bagchucker on 2/9/2016 5:47:00 PM (view original):
that is exactly what i have always thought about triples

the most exciting play in baseball



rickey rounds 2nd, for example

put your favorite right fielder in right, can he nail rickey
For my money, the most exciting play in baseball is a medium deep fly ball with a runner on 3rd and less than two out.  You're instantly computing the arm (and glove) of the outfielder, the speed (and timing) of the baserunner, the guts (pre-2014) of the catcher;  all while the ball in is the air.

The most artistic play is a 5-4-3 double play.  Done well, it's almost like ballet.
okay, I think sac flies ARE good, but especially when there has been a TEAM effort to move a runner to third which is rewarded by a sac fly - the exciting part is not the sac fly per se bagchucker, but rather the whole effort to get a runner to third. This is what is wrong with the triple. Guy gets a triple, next guy homers or hits a double. It is now all wasted effort and all individual hitting, a mere series, a serialized relationship as Jean-Paul Sartre would have called it, rather than a fused group. I liked watching the 1998-99 Yankees, who hit few triples and did not have anyone hitting 50 homers, but kept moving runners over even on outs. 

Agree that the most elegant thing in the world is a double play, especially 5-4-3.   This makes baseball performance art, like ballet.
2/9/2016 7:19 PM
See the best book ever on sports, CLR James, "Beyond a Boundary" for a deeper analysis of sports as art, in the chapter "What is Art" and also the chapter "What do Men Live By". 
2/9/2016 7:20 PM
Posted by d_rock97 on 2/9/2016 6:36:00 PM (view original):
Are we talking about triples in real life or the simulated triples on this website. Because I'm tired of seeing Pedro Martinez hitting triples. He either hits a triple, or strikes out.
triples in real life. Pedro Martinez hitting a triple? Good thing I don't do hallucinogenic drugs anymore, with THAT image in my head. brr.
2/9/2016 7:21 PM
Posted by italyprof on 2/9/2016 7:19:00 PM (view original):
Posted by toddcommish on 2/9/2016 6:06:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bagchucker on 2/9/2016 5:47:00 PM (view original):
that is exactly what i have always thought about triples

the most exciting play in baseball



rickey rounds 2nd, for example

put your favorite right fielder in right, can he nail rickey
For my money, the most exciting play in baseball is a medium deep fly ball with a runner on 3rd and less than two out.  You're instantly computing the arm (and glove) of the outfielder, the speed (and timing) of the baserunner, the guts (pre-2014) of the catcher;  all while the ball in is the air.

The most artistic play is a 5-4-3 double play.  Done well, it's almost like ballet.
okay, I think sac flies ARE good, but especially when there has been a TEAM effort to move a runner to third which is rewarded by a sac fly - the exciting part is not the sac fly per se bagchucker, but rather the whole effort to get a runner to third. This is what is wrong with the triple. Guy gets a triple, next guy homers or hits a double. It is now all wasted effort and all individual hitting, a mere series, a serialized relationship as Jean-Paul Sartre would have called it, rather than a fused group. I liked watching the 1998-99 Yankees, who hit few triples and did not have anyone hitting 50 homers, but kept moving runners over even on outs. 

Agree that the most elegant thing in the world is a double play, especially 5-4-3.   This makes baseball performance art, like ballet.
The 1998 Yankees were league-average in terms of strikeout rate, above average in terms of sac flies, and below average in terms of sac hits.  Average team had 89 sac flies + sac hits, Yankees had 91.  Basically average.  Normalized to their league-leading OBP, they were actually less likely to advance a runner with an out than an average team.  They were also 2nd in the league in GIDP.

The 1999 Yankees were still near the middle but slightly better at not striking out, but comfortably below the AL average in total sacrifices.  They did return down to an average DP count, which is a below-average rate given that they were still 2nd in OBP.

Overall, I think a lot of old-school baseball fans have romanticized this team as the last bastion of old-school "baseball done right," but in reality it was quite the opposite.  They were basically an average team in terms of having productive outs and manufacturing runs.  The late-'90s Yankees were, realistically, the first Moneyball team.  They walked a ton and put lots of guys on base.  They were new-school, Sabermetric baseball at its finest.
2/9/2016 7:57 PM
Posted by dahsdebater on 2/9/2016 6:35:00 PM (view original):
Posted by ozomatli on 2/9/2016 5:49:00 PM (view original):
Posted by italyprof on 2/9/2016 5:34:00 PM (view original):
It is true that for contrarian23's theme league on using the new prices I found a bunch of players I had never heard of with the criteria I wanted - though I don't know what their previous prices were so I can't compare. 
Ditto.
At least as of a few hours ago, the old spreadsheets are still available for download.  For comparison purposes.
DOWNLOAD FROM WHERE? (Also asked: 2/9/2016 12:40 PM)
2/9/2016 8:07 PM (edited)
Easiest way to find it is to go to a team in the draft center and open up the player search window.  At the bottom of the page, near the bottom of the gray "Player Search Notes" region, you will find this line (3rd bullet point up from the bottom): "Rather view the core player list in a spreadsheet? Position Players and Pitchers"

Position players and pitchers are both clickable download links to the spreadsheets.

2/9/2016 8:16 PM
Thanks, I was able to find it by clicking on a player search, at the bottom as stated. I think it's too late now, though. I got the new salaries
2/9/2016 8:45 PM (edited)
Posted by italyprof on 2/9/2016 7:21:00 PM (view original):
Posted by d_rock97 on 2/9/2016 6:36:00 PM (view original):
Are we talking about triples in real life or the simulated triples on this website. Because I'm tired of seeing Pedro Martinez hitting triples. He either hits a triple, or strikes out.
triples in real life. Pedro Martinez hitting a triple? Good thing I don't do hallucinogenic drugs anymore, with THAT image in my head. brr.
lol on this website, 100% of Pedro's hits are triples
2/9/2016 8:54 PM
According to the Performance History, the average 2000 Pedro has 6 hits and 0 triples...
2/9/2016 9:26 PM
1891 George Shoch, Performance History includes 7 times used. Price stayed at $6.22M

1903 Jimmy Barrett, Performance History includes 1 time used. Price stayed at $6.53M

1918 Bob Bescher, Performance History includes 14 times used. Price went up from $909K to $912K

I think it's pretty clear that "dynamic" pricing did not actually decrease anything except for the cases like 2008 Pablo Sandoval where his Arm rating was diminished. I am sending a ticket in to support to get clarification as to why this is the case. Will report back.
2/9/2016 9:58 PM
Campaneris and Shugart who were both A+ arms are now downgraded to D+ and A respectively.  Their prices dropped, too.
2/9/2016 10:08 PM
Posted by redsox1966 on 2/9/2016 10:08:00 PM (view original):
Campaneris and Shugart who were both A+ arms are now downgraded to D+ and A respectively.  Their prices dropped, too.
Yeah, players who had < 20 games at catcher and therefore had their arm ratings adjusted seem to be the only ones who went down in price which, by my understanding, did not seem to be the goal of the update. Hopefully they get back to me tomorrow about whether this was an oversight or intentional.
2/9/2016 10:09 PM
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robe, check out the theme leagues and progressive leagues. I never play open leagues.
2/9/2016 10:57 PM
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