Rule V Leg #52 Draft Thread Topic

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Originally created many moons ago by examinerebb, this league makes any franchise a contender (the Cubs and Orioles have won recently), and a better group of owners can't be found on the site. There is much good-natured banter in the draft thread and the league chat, so bring your sense of humor. The rules are simple:

1. Each owner chooses a franchise. Franchise draft order is in inverse order of win percentage from the previous season for non-playoff teams, then inverse order of win percentage of non-World Series playoff teams, with the WS runner-up picking 23rd, and the WS champ choosing last. New owners will be assigned the draft position of any previous owners who are not returning, with the first to sign up receiving the highest slot, and so on. Division alignment will be determined by the commissioner after team selection is complete. We will attempt to keep divisions as close to real life as possible. Geography will be the first factor, but we will also attempt to maintain traditional rivalries if possible.

2. Each owner chooses five players he/she wishes to protect from that franchise (1969-2015) and submits that list via sitemail to me. Those players are the exclusive property of their respective owners.

3. After all lists are submitted, they will be posted and a three round modified Rule V draft will be held, with draft order being inverse order of each franchise's Rule V win percentage through all legs from which we have data (the worst teams pick first). Many thanks to schwarze for compiling this data. Each owner selects one unprotected player from any active franchise but their own (player seasons for franchises that were not chosen are not eligible). That player is also theirs exclusively. No more than two players may be taken from any one franchise in any one round.

4. At the end of the first and second rounds, each owner will choose an additional player they wish to protect. You will end up protecting seven in all, while drafting three. These ten players must appear on your roster. The rest of the roster is filled by players from your franchise during the given time period (1969-present day).

$120 Million Cap
No trades
No WW
No DH
No AAA

No clones (same player, same franchise - if a player played for more than one franchise, he is available once for each franchise)
If a player split time between multiple teams in a season (as listed at WIS) his full season is available once for each team
SLL limited to current series
Stadium must have been used by your franchise for at least one full season between 1969 and 2014
Tiebreaker for draft positions will be run differential from the previous season, worse differential picks first

For those new to the Rule V fold:

There is much good-natured ribbing during the draft (we try not to be too player-specific, so as not to influence the draft, but sometimes the temptation is too much). Do not take it personally. Pick a draft strategy and stay the course, regardless.

Glossary

He Who Must Not Be Named (HWMNBN) - A former player/manager/dirtbag for the Cincinnati Reds (and later, Philadelphia Phillies and Montreal Expos) who defiled the grand game of baseball. No Rule V team has ever won a title with him, so heed jose's warnings about karma. I would imagine Lady Karma grows weary from teaching the same lesson over and over, as the ruler with which she raps offending knuckles seems to grow with each passing season. The scumbag finally won a couple of championships. Lady Karma has stunned us all with this development

The Single Most Overrated Pitcher of All Time (TSMOPOAT) - Nolan Ryan

The Single Most Overrated Position Player of All Time (TSMOPPOAT) - Cal Ripken, Jr.

(Both of those players designated by Vegas...see below)

Vegas - jose can u c - Our Rule V Prediction King

Newest Entry: Alleyviper's Favorite Third Baseman of All Time (AFTBOAT) - Scott Rolen (has picked him at least four drafts)
5/10/2016 5:25 AM
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Player Draft Order. Franchises that have been taken are marked in RED.

Worst-to-Best rankings (removing best & worst seasons)
Rank Franchise Years _Wins_ Losses Wining%
1 Rays 7 412 722 0.3633
2 D'backs 13 928 1178 0.4406
3 Tigers 23 1696 2031 0.4551
4 Pirates 21 1599 1803 0.4700
5 White Sox 11 841 941 0.4719
6 Rockies 13 1000 1106 0.4748
7 Twins 25 1957 2094 0.4831
8 Rangers 18 1412 1505 0.4841
9 Angels 21 1660 1742 0.4879
10 Marlins 22 1762 1804 0.4941
11 Blue Jays 29 2322 2377 0.4941
12 Brewers 26 2083 2132 0.4942
13 Orioles 26 2091 2122 0.4963
14 Mariners 32 2575 2610 0.4966
15 Expos 33 2674 2675 0.4999
16 Phillies 33 2683 2666 0.5016
17 Indians 32 2603 2582 0.5020
18 Padres 27 2205 2169 0.5041
19 Mets 31 2538 2485 0.5053
20 Red Sox 33 2714 2633 0.5076
21 Giants 32 2639 2547 0.5089
22 Reds 27 2233 2142 0.5104
23 Cubs 24 1986 1902 0.5108
24 Braves 32 2658 2526 0.5127
25 Royals 29 2413 2287 0.5134
26 Cardinals 33 2783 2564 0.5205
27 Dodgers 32 2758 2428 0.5318
28 Yankees 29 2505 2193 0.5332
29 A's 32 2782 2403 0.5365
30 Astros 33 2908 2439 0.5439
5/12/2016 10:12 AM (edited)
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Franchise Draft Order (Timed schedule starts Wednesday 5/11)
  1. specsman 64-98 Atlanta Braves#
  2. spoonfed 67-95 Boston Red Sox#
  3. mussopini23 68-94 Chicago Cubs#
  4. deathdealer 70-92 Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals#
  5. alice 71-91 Oakland Athletics#
  6. dilligafdbp 75-87 Detroit Tigers#
  7. schwarze 78-84 .481^ Houston Astros#
  8. koyunlu 78-84 .481 St. Louis Cardinals#
  9. Robin4 78-84 .481 NY Mets#
  10. moses_k 80-82 .494^ Cincinnati Reds#
  11. mllama54 80-82 .494 Los Angeles Dodgers#
  12. newarkwilder 81-81 .500 Philadelphia Phillies#
  13. tridentric 83-80 .509 Baltimore Orioles#
  14. ff09 83-79 .512 New York Yankees#
  15. sinfonian11 84-78 .519 Pittsburgh Pirates#
  16. tjefferson 86-76 .531 Arizona Diamondbacks
  17. rbow923 84-79 .515* San Francisco Giants#
  18. shaybee 87-75 .537* Seattle Mariners#
  19. spikeboots 88-74 .543* Toronto Blue Jays#
  20. DoctorKz 89-73 .549* Minnesota Twins#
  21. llcoach90-72 .556* San Diego Padres#
  22. pumpkinmcp 90-72 .556* Milwaukee Brewers#
  23. buddhagamer 96-66 .593% Miami Marlins#
  24. alleyviper 95-67 .587$ Cleveland Indians#
# third round keeper sent

^ new owner this leg
* playoff team
% WS runner-up
$ WS champion

Division Alignment
NL East: Marlins, Mets, Phillies, Expos/Nationals
NL Central: Reds, Pirates, Cubs, Cardinals
NL West: Braves, Dodgers, Giants, Padres
AL East: Yankees, Red Sox, Blue Jays, Orioles
AL Central: Brewers, Twins, Indians, Tigers
AL West: Astros, Diamondbacks, Athletics, Mariners

list for sitemailing owners: specsman; spoonfed; mussopini23; deathdealer; alice; dilligafdbp; schwarze; koyunlu; Robin4; moses_k; mllama54; newarkwilder; tridentric; ff09; sinfonian11; tjefferson; rbow923; shaybee; spikeboots; DoctorKz; llcoach; pumpkinmcp; buddhagamer; alleyviper
5/20/2016 5:22 AM (edited)
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Player Draft First Round (timed schedule starts Monday 5/16)
  1. tjefferson - Arizona Diamondbacks: Mike Piazza - LAD
  2. dilligafdbp - Detroit Tigers: Kevin Brown - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  3. sinfonian11 - Pittsburgh Pirates: Kevin Millwood - ATL
  4. DoctorKz - Minnesota Twins: Willie McGee - STL
  5. buddhagamer - Miami Marlins: Fritz Peterson - NYY
  6. spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays: Jason Giambi - OAK
  7. pumpkinmcp - Milwaukee Brewers: Fred Lynn - BOS
  8. tridentric - Baltimore Orioles: Tim Lincecum - SFG
  9. shaybee - Seattle Mariners: TSMOPOAT - HOU
  10. deathdealer - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Bob Gibson - STL (Cardinals off the board)
  11. newarkwilder - Philadelphia Phillies: Matt Harvey - NYM
  12. alleyviper - Cleveland Indians: Curt Schilling - PHI
  13. llcoach - San Diego Padres: Nomar Garciaparra - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  14. Robin4 - New York Mets: TSMOPPOAT - BAL
  15. spoonfed - Boston Red Sox: Johnny Cueto - CIN
  16. rbow923 - San Francisco Giants: Dave Righetti - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  17. moses_k - Cincinnati Reds: Mark McGwire - OAK (Athletics off the board)
  18. mussopini23 - Chicago Cubs: Barry Larkin - CIN (Reds off the board)
  19. specsman - Atlanta Braves: Don Wilson - HOU (Astros off the board)
  20. koyunlu - St. Louis Cardinals: Mark Eichhorn - TOR
  21. mllama54 - Los Angeles Dodgers: Buster Posey - SFG (Giants off the board)
  22. ff09 - New York Yankees: Pat Dobson - BAL (Orioles off the board)
  23. alice - Oakland Athletics: Jose Vidro - MON/WSH
  24. schwarze - Houston Astros: Scott Rolen - PHI (Phillies off the board)
Player Draft Second Round (Timed schedule starts Wednesday 5/18)
  1. tjefferson - Arizona Diamondbacks: Rico Petrocelli - BOS
  2. dilligafdbp - Detroit Tigers: Carlton Fisk - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  3. sinfonian11 - Pittsburgh Pirates Alex Rodriguez - NYY
  4. DoctorKz - Minnesota Twins: Omar Vizquel - CLE
  5. buddhagamer - Miami Marlins: Orel Hershiser - LAD
  6. spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays: Fernando Valenzuela - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  7. pumpkinmcp - Milwaukee Brewers: Kevin Mitchell - SFG
  8. tridentric - Baltimore Orioles: Dellin Betances - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  9. shaybee - Seattle Mariners: Javy Lopez - ATL
  10. deathdealer - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Jose Altuve - HOU
  11. newarkwilder - Philadelphia Phillies: Tim Hudson - OAK
  12. alleyviper - Cleveland Indians: Alan Trammell - DET
  13. llcoach - San Diego Padres: Dallas Keuchel - HOU (Astros off the board)
  14. Robin4 - New York Mets: Andre Dawson - MON/WSH
  15. spoonfed - Boston Red Sox: Jacob DeGrom - NYM
  16. rbow923 - San Francisco Giants: Kris Medlen - ATL (Braves off the board)
  17. moses_k - Cincinnati Reds: David Cone - NYM (Mets off the board)
  18. mussopini23 - Chicago Cubs: Ted Simmons - STL
  19. specsman - Atlanta Braves: Randy Jones - SDP
  20. koyunlu - St. Louis Cardinals: JJ Putz - SEA
  21. mllama54 - Los Angeles Dodgers: Dee Gordon - MIA
  22. ff09 - New York Yankees: Pascual Perez - MON/WSH (Expos/Nats off the board)
  23. alice - Oakland Athletics: Bobby Bonilla - BAL
  24. schwarze - Houston Astros: Ozzie Smith - STL (Cardinals off the board)
Player Draft Third Round (timed schedule Monday 5/23)
  1. tjefferson - Arizona Diamondbacks: Reggie Jackson - OAK
  2. dilligafdbp - Detroit Tigers: George Foster - CIN
  3. sinfonian11 - Pittsburgh Pirates: Willie Hernandez - DET
  4. DoctorKz - Minnesota Twins: Larry Dierker - HOU
  5. buddhagamer - Miami Marlins: Gregg Jefferies - STL
  6. spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays: Koji Uehara - BOS
  7. pumpkinmcp - Milwaukee Brewers: Harmon Killebrew - MIN
  8. tridentric - Baltimore Orioles: Ichiro Suzuki - SEA
  9. shaybee - Seattle Mariners: Darrell Evans - ATL
  10. deathdealer - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Tom Hall - MIN (Twins off the board)
  11. newarkwilder - Philadelphia Phillies: Vladimir Guerrero - MON/WSH
  12. alleyviper - Cleveland Indians: Pedro Guerrero - LAD
  13. llcoach - San Diego Padres: Steve Sax - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  14. Robin4 - New York Mets: Mark Loretta - SDP
  15. spoonfed - Boston Red Sox: Cla Meredith - SDP (Padres off the board)
  16. rbow923 - San Francisco Giants: Yadier Molina - STL (Cardinals off the board)
  17. moses_k - Cincinnati Reds: Bernie Williams - NYY
  18. mussopini23 - Chicago Cubs: Madison Bumgarner - SFG
  19. specsman - Atlanta Braves: Howard Johnson - NYM
  20. koyunlu - St. Louis Cardinals: Rick Wilkins - CHC
  21. mllama54 - Los Angeles Dodgers: Jean Segura - MIL
  22. ff09 - New York Yankees: Victor Martinez - DET (Tigers off the board)
  23. alice - Oakland Athletics: Mo Vaughn - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  24. schwarze - Houston Astros: Jorge Posada - NYY (Yankees off the board)
5/24/2016 11:26 AM (edited)
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List of keepers/draft picks

tjefferson - Arizona Diamondbacks: Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling, Paul Goldschmidt, Luis Gonzalez, AJ Pollock, Mike Piazza - LAD, Matt Williams, Rico Petrocelli - BOS, Aaron Hill, Reggie Jackson - OAK,

dilligafdbp - Detroit Tigers: Justin Verlander, Max Scherzer, Curtis Granderson, Magglio Ordonez, Miguel Cabrera, Kevin Brown - LAD, Tony Phillips, Carlton Fisk - BOS, Carlos Guillen, George Foster - CIN,

sinfonian11 - Pittsburgh Pirates: Barry Bonds, Andrew McCutchen, Brian Giles, Jay Bell, Rick Reuschel, Kevin Millwood - ATL, Doug Drabek, Alex Rodriguez - NYY, Rich Gossage, Willie Hernandez - DET,

DoctorKz - Minnesota Twins: Joe Mauer, Rod Carew, Chuck Knoblauch, Kirby Puckett, Johan Santana, Willie McGee - STL, Joe Nathan, Omar Vizquel - CLE, Lyman Bostock, Larry Dierker - HOU,

buddhagamer - Miami Marlins: Kevin Brown, Jose Fernandez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Cabrera, Hanley Ramirez, Fritz Peterson - NYY, Mike Piazza, Orel Hershiser - LAD, Luis Castillo, Gregg Jefferies - STL

spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays: Jose Bautista, John Olerud, Carlos Delgado, Tony Fernandez, Roger Clemens, Jason Giambi - OAK, BJ Ryan, Fernando Valenzuela - LAD, Roy Halladay, Koji Uehara - BOS

pumpkinmcp - Milwaukee Brewers: Robin Yount, Teddy Higuera, Rollie Fingers, Ben Sheets, Mike Caldwell, Fred Lynn - BOS, CC Sabathia, Kevin Mitchell - SFG, Ryan Braun, Harmon Killebrew - MIN

tridentric - Baltimore Orioles: Chris Hoiles, Roberto Alomar, Manny Machado, Jim Palmer, Mike Cuellar, Tim Lincecum - SFG, Mike Mussina, Dellin Betances - NYY, Miguel Tejada, Ichiro Suzuki - SEA

shaybee - Seattle Mariners: Alex Rodriguez, Ken Griffey, Jr., Edgar Martinez, Randy Johnson, Felix Hernandez, TSMOPOAT - HOU, Cliff Lee, Javy Lopez - ATL, Bret Boone, Darrell Evans - ATL

deathdealer - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Pedro Martinez, Max Scherzer, Bryce Harper, Tim Raines, Gary Carter, Bob Gibson - STL, Tim Burke, Jose Altuve - HOU, Dale Murray, Tom Hall - MIN

newarkwilder - Philadelphia Phillies: Steve Carlton, Chase Utley, Jimmy Rollins, Mike Schmidt, Ryan Howard, Matt Harvey - NYM, Lenny Dykstra, Tim Hudson - OAK, Ken Giles, Vladimir Guerrero - MON/WSH

alleyviper - Cleveland Indians: Jim Thome, Kenny Lofton, Roberto Alomar, Albert Belle, Gaylord Perry, Curt Schilling - PHI, Carlos Carrasco, Alan Trammell - DET, Rafael Betancourt, Pedro Guerrero - LAD

llcoach - San Diego Padres: Tony Gwynn, Ken Caminiti, Jake Peavy, Kevin Brown, Trevor Hoffman, Nomar Garciaparra - BOS, Chris Young, Dallas Keuchel - HOU, Mike Adams, Steve Sax - LAD

Robin4 - New York Mets: Dwight Gooden, Tom Seaver, Pedro Martinez, David Wright, Mike Piazza, TSMOPPOAT - BAL, Carlos Beltran, Andre Dawson - MON/WSH, Bret Saberhagen, Mark Loretta - SDP

spoonfed - Boston Red Sox: Carl Yastrzemski, Wade Boggs, Roger Clemens, Pedro Martinez, Derek Lowe, Johnny Cueto - CIN, Manny Ramirez, Jacob DeGrom - NYM, Victor Martinez, Cla Meredith - SDP

rbow923 - San Francisco Giants: Barry Bonds, Willie McCovey, Jeff Kent, Jason Schmidt, Juan Marichal, Dave Righetti - NYY, Rich Aurillia, Kris Medlen - ATL, Rod Beck, Yadier Molina - STL

moses_k - Cincinnati Reds: Tom Seaver, Jose Rijo, Johnny Bench, Joe Morgan, HWMNBN, Mark McGwire - OAK, Mario Soto, David Cone - NYM, Rob Dibble, Bernie Williams - NYY

mussopini23 - Chicago Cubs: Greg Maddux, Jake Arrieta, Derrek Lee, Sammy Sosa, Ryne Sandberg, Barry Larkin - CIN, Bruce Sutter, Ted Simmons - STL, Billy Williams, Madison Bumgarner - SFG

specsman - Atlanta Braves: Mark Texeira, Hank Aaron, Chipper Jones, Greg Maddux, John Smoltz, Don Wilson - HOU, Craig Kimbrel, Randy Jones - SDP, Gary Sheffield, Howard Johnson - NYM

koyunlu - St. Louis Cardinals: Chris Carpenter, John Tudor, Albert Pujols, Mark McGwire, AFTBOAT, Mark Eichhorn - TOR, Joe Torre, JJ Putz - SEA, Adam Wainwright, Rick Wilkins - CHC

mllama54 - Los Angeles Dodgers: Don Sutton, Clayton Kershaw, Zack Greinke, Adrian Beltre, Eric Gagne, Buster Posey - SFG, Hideo Nomo, Dee Gordon - MIA, Reggie Smith, Jean Segura - MIL

ff09 - New York Yankees: Ron Guidry, Catfish Hunter, Rickey Henderson, Derek Jeter, Robinson Cano, Pat Dobson - BAL, Paul O'Neill, Pascual Perez - MON/WSH, Bobby Murcer, Victor Martinez - DET

alice - Oakland Athletics: Vida Blue, Catfish Hunter, Mike Norris, Dennis Eckersley, Miguel Tejada, Jose Vidro - MON/WSH, Rickey Henderson, Bobby Bonilla - BAL, Steve McCatty, Mo Vaughn - BOS

schwarze - Houston Astros: Mike Scott, JR Richard, Roger Clemens, Jeff Bagwell, Lance Berkman, Scott Rolen - PHI, Craig Biggio, Ozzie Smith - STL, Billy Wagner, Jorge Posada - NYY
5/24/2016 11:26 AM (edited)
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In keeping with tradition will take the team with the best record last season and try to get .500 with them give me the Braves!
5/10/2016 9:14 AM
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I will take the Red Sox
5/10/2016 10:10 AM
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This draft could be rough. I've been trying to make it through all 30 franchises without repeating one and so far have done so successfully through 21 seasons but picking last with only 9 available teams could end the run. Thankfully five of the remaining nine are pretty bad..


e: and specs has already reduced that to 8 available.
5/10/2016 10:13 AM
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A quick update...it looks like jose might be MIA from the site. He was supposed to take over as commish of an HBD world I'm in, but no one has been able to get in touch with him for a couple of weeks. I saw that the previous commish was still handling things, but because it's been a long rollover, I hadn't checked in there recently. I just double-checked, and jose hasn't opened any sitemails from me for a couple of weeks either. We have moses_k on our waitlist, and I've already sitemailed him to be ready. He said he will be. Thanks.
5/10/2016 11:30 AM
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I am here, will be picking shortly
5/10/2016 12:18 PM
mussopini23
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I either took this team a LONG time ago, or never, so I will go with the Chicago Cubs
5/10/2016 12:22 PM
ff09
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bump
5/10/2016 1:08 PM
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Expos/Nats
5/10/2016 2:50 PM
alice
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Oakland A's
5/10/2016 4:20 PM
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Tigers
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